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Bernie Sanders predicts 'rough' campaign ahead but thinks Harris has 'very good chance to win' (abcnews.go.com)

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[-] Tyfud@lemmy.world 40 points 2 months ago

Regardless of her touted chances of winning, let's not repeat 2016.

Get out and fucking vote like your life, and the lives of everyone you care about, and probably the next 10-20 year stability of geopolitics, depends on you turning out to vote.

I wish I was exaggerating.

[+] Antmz22@lemm.ee -6 points 2 months ago

and probably the next 10-20 year stability of geopolitics, depends on you turning out to vote.

Yeah, I'm not voting for 10-20 years of stability in conducting genocide.

[-] sour@feddit.org 1 points 2 months ago

If you're not voting Harris you will do exactly that :)

[-] Antmz22@lemm.ee -2 points 2 months ago

If you are voting for Harris you are doing exactly that, and it's disgusting how flippant you are about her supporting a genocide.

A vote for Harris is a vote for Genocide. As soon as she vows to stop supporting the one carrying out a genocide, she can gety vote.

I will not vote for Hitler to save us from Hitler (but worse!)

[-] sour@feddit.org 1 points 2 months ago

But you wouldn't vote against Hitler if the opponent would be Harris?

[-] Antmz22@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago

I will not vote fora pro Genocide candidate. It's that simple.

Would you vote against Hitler if the opponent was Muhammad Dief?

Would you vote against Netanyahu in the same scenario?

[-] sour@feddit.org 0 points 2 months ago

The fact that you put Harris on the same level as the others tells me all I need to know about you.

[-] Antmz22@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Is Kamala Harris actively aiding and vowing continued support for a genocidal apartheid state, yes or no?

Is Mohammed Dief fighting against the genocidal apartheid regime, yes or no?

You're right, it's honestly wrong to compare/associate the two...

Edit: since you advocate for supporting the "lesser evil", do you actively support Hamas against the genocidal apartheid state of Israel?

Or only "lesser evil" as long as they are pro Genocide of Palestinians?

[+] K1nsey6@lemmy.ml -47 points 2 months ago

I will vote like I did in 2016, for a 3rd party.

[-] cranakis@reddthat.com 31 points 2 months ago

Unhelpful person pledges further apathy. Got it.

Voting for brain worm 2024?

[-] Sciaphobia@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

He's on a .ml instance

[-] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

It's amazing how quick the "I just want someone other than Biden" crowd turned to "I'm voting 3rd party" the second Biden was no longer the candidate. Almost like they just want the Democrats to lose...

[-] Antmz22@lemm.ee -3 points 2 months ago

Almost like they replaced him with someone who immediately came out and backed the same things we disliked about him.

We don't care about the person, we care about the policies like not doing genocide.

[-] sour@feddit.org 1 points 2 months ago

And instead you enable someone that does what you hate, but worse?

[-] Antmz22@lemm.ee -3 points 2 months ago

The only thing being enabled is you people enabling a genocide.

Kamala Harris could, at minimum, call for an end to the genocide and vow to stop supporting it, instead she states that she will always support Israels right to "defend itself".

Sorry, but I'm not voting for Hitler. I wouldn't care if it literally killed me, that pales in comparison to the genocide she supports and the things it would enable in the future by normalizing her policies and beliefs as the "left wing" option.

[-] Antmz22@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

Brain worm already suspended his campaign and supported Trump...

[-] cranakis@reddthat.com 1 points 2 months ago

Who he previously called "a terrible president." RFK is a fucking joke.

[-] mctoasterson@reddthat.com -4 points 2 months ago

Don't mistake it for apathy. I didn't vote for either major party candidate in either of the last 2 presidential elections because I didn't like either of the options. I'm not going to be schoolmarmed by anybody on Lemmy for doing so, especially since many of the people participating in US politics discussions on Lemmy seem to be Canadians or Europeans who, just like Russian trolls, cannot vote in US elections.

If you want viable third party options leading towards reform, you have to act accordingly. In '92 Ross Perot won 20% of the popular vote despite only re-entering the race in October. In June of that year he was polling as the leader in the 3-way race, before questions about whether he would qualify for all states ballots. He could have won that election.

Since then, the two mega parties have done all they can to ensure no viable 3rd option ever emerges again. This year we were given a matchup of historically unpopular R, nominated pretty much by default through a party controlled process of primaries that couldn't be meaningfully influenced by primary voters...and on the D side we were given a historically unpopular D for whom the party scuttled all potential primary challengers, then at the last second they replaced him via their national process, subverting the entire point of having primaries, with a candidate who won zero votes in that initial process or the previous election cycles primary process.

That said, since as an individual I have no meaningful way of influencing or reforming either major party, and both continue to force candidates upon us I don't like, I will be voting for whoever I want. It is not even remotely similar to "apathy". Thanks.

[-] cranakis@reddthat.com 4 points 2 months ago

I don't see how you tossing your vote away to a third party that will definitely lose, in any way creates a future with more than two major parties. It simply will never work. Your efforts would be better spent trying to reform either existing party from within. Maybe you're not apathetic but you are delusional.

[+] K1nsey6@lemmy.ml -24 points 2 months ago

Capitulation in voting based on fear is apathy. I vote my conscience. Yours is a protest vote against something.

[-] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

I vote my conscience

So you're fine with Trump winning being on your conscience?

Yours is a protest vote against something.

What? Most people voting for her probably agree with at least half of her policy, they're not just voting against Trump.

[+] K1nsey6@lemmy.ml -11 points 2 months ago

What policy is that she has yet to disclose one? And she could have 99% policy that everybody wants and supports. But the mass slaughter and genocide of brown people around the world should be a red line for everybody.

[-] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

What policy is that she has yet to disclose one?

Here's the Party Platform which she, as a would be democratic president is likely to follow.

genocide of brown people around the world should be a red line for everybody.

Oh, you mean the one she's trying to end? The one Trump wants to "Finish".

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 months ago

Shes not trying to end anything, did you not listen to her acceptance speech? Or did you listen through the ears of someone that can't hear right wing authoritarianism?

[-] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Shes not trying to end anything, did you not listen to her acceptance speech?

Did you not listen to her acceptance speech?

President Biden and I are working to end this war, such that Israel is secure, the hostages are released, the suffering in Gaza ends and the Palestinian people can realize their right to dignity, security, freedom and self-determination.

Source

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 months ago

Out of one side of their mouth, they talk cease fire as they have just completed their 500th weapons ship into Israel. Actions speak louder than words. And that's why we cannot trust them. We have listened to what they said and then watched what they did.

[-] Antmz22@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yes. Simple platitudes about "suffering in Gaza" while refusing to directly call out the one performing the genocide or even the fact that a genocide is being carried out.

Pay attention to how she calls out Hamas for Oct-7 (and spreads hasbara) while only referencing Israel in the context of a "defensive war" rather than the genocide they are performing.

Here's the full transcript.

With respect to the war in Gaza, President Biden and I are working around the clock, because now is the time to get a hostage deal and a cease-fire deal done.

And let me be clear. And let me be clear. I will always stand up for Israel’s right to defend itself, and I will always ensure Israel has the ability to defend itself, because the people of Israel must never again face the horror that a terrorist organization called Hamas caused on Oct. 7, including unspeakable sexual violence and the massacre of young people at a music festival.

At the same time, what has happened in Gaza over the past 10 months is devastating. So many innocent lives lost. Desperate, hungry people fleeing for safety, over and over again. The scale of suffering is heartbreaking. [Editing note: Hamas specifically caused oct-7. Suffering is just happening in Gaza ..who is making this happen? Is it possible that we should stop supporting them in making this happen?]

President Biden and I are working to end this war, such that Israel is secure, the hostages are released, the suffering in Gaza ends and the Palestinian people can realize their right to dignity, security, freedom and self-determination.

And know this: I will never hesitate to take whatever action is necessary to defend our forces and our interests against Iran and Iran-backed terrorists. [Editing note: The interests here are obviously, Israel, and the Iran backed terrorists are the ones fighting Israel over perfoming a genocide]I will not cozy up to tyrants and dictators like Kim Jong-un, who are rooting for Trump. Who are rooting for Trump.

[-] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

and spreads hasbara

including unspeakable sexual violence and the massacre of young people at a music festival

Nice rape denial.

[-] Antmz22@lemm.ee -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Nice rape denial.

Do you deny the rape of the Trisha Meili? ...

Two of the three victims specifically singled out by the New York Times in a marquee exposé published in December, which alleged that Hamas had deliberately weaponized sexual violence during the October 7 attacks, were not in fact victims of sexual assault, according to the spokesperson for the Kibbutz Be’eri, which the Times identified as the location of the attack.

When asked about the claims made by the New York Times, Paikin independently raised their name. “You’re talking about the Sharabi girls?” she said. “No, they just — they were shot. I’m saying ‘just,’ but they were shot and were not subjected to sexual abuse.” Paikin also disputed the graphic and highly detailed claims of the Israeli special forces paramedic who served as the source for the allegation, which was published in the New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN, and other media outlets. “It’s not true,” she told The Intercept, referring to the paramedic’s claims about the girls. “They were not sexually abused.”

A spokesperson for the Israeli government, Eylon Levy, played a lead role in connecting the anonymous paramedic with international media outlets.

Anat Schwartz — an Israeli filmmaker who, before joining the Times, appeared to have no prior experience reporting the news — was hired by the paper to investigate sexual violence on October 7

https://theintercept.com/2024/03/04/nyt-october-7-sexual-violence-kibbutz-beeri/

Who told you there were mass rapes? What is their motivation? Do they have any evidence to support them, or do you just believe them because the "Muslim hordes" must have done what they're accused of by the ones actively conducting a genocide on them and admitting using mass rape as a justification for said genocide (basically the definition of hasbara)...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=brSBEQVfXr8

Edit: it's also worth noting... We DO have proof of Israeli mass rape of Palestinian hostages. Israelis literally take to the streets to protest (really a borderline civil war if the govt didn't listen, which they did)their "right" to do so when soldiers got in trouble for gang raping someone so bad they had to be hospitalized....

https://www.democracynow.org/2024/8/1/israel_gaza_palestinian_prisoners_torture

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

All Harris has to do to win, is lean into who she IS, and at every oppertunity post evidence that trump is wrong about who he says she is.

Add a big helping of policy talk, a dash of memeing, celebrity endorsements, and boom, she's in.

[-] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

That and not have the electoral voters fuck her

[-] mctoasterson@reddthat.com -5 points 2 months ago

Her campaign doesn't even think this is true. They are essentially running a "basement" campaign. Zero events off prompter, speaking through surrogates, and trying to ride any potential DNC bump all the way through the election (or at least until early voting is underway in many states).

Harris is deeply off-putting to listen to when she speaks extemporaneously on virtually any issue. Therefore her campaign is banking on more or less hiding her, "freezing" the poll numbers approximately where they are now and avoiding big risks.

Literally the only inflection point that can change the race any further is the debate (or debates) if that happens.

[-] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

i think any campaign within spitting range of trump is going to be a rough campaign. it's inevitable.

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