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[–] recapitated@lemmy.world 80 points 2 months ago (12 children)
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[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 71 points 2 months ago (4 children)

There are two browsers, chrome and FF.

[–] Ibaudia@lemmy.world 41 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Three if you count Webkit/Safari

[–] tja@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 months ago (7 children)

I don't think I can install it on my android phone, so I don't count it

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Though the engine is still being actively worked on to provide android support https://blogs.igalia.com/jani/bringing-webkit-back-to-android/

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[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Pfft. I'm going back to the og Netscape Navigator 😎

[–] other_cat@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Isn't that just what Firefox was before it was Firefox?

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[–] Eiri@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It feels very weird to say but

I think maybe

the world was better when Trident existed??

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

SILENCE THIS HERETIC!

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 48 points 2 months ago (2 children)

> downloads desktop app

> looks inside

> it's a webpage with a dedicated browser

(Web 2.0 and it's consequences...)

[–] thecheddarcheese@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Why even make a desktop app at this point? I get doing that if it has some inherent advantage over the web version, but why go through the trouble of making another program if it's just gonna be the same but in electron?

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 23 points 2 months ago

Think of all that lovely data and tracking you can slurp up when unconstrained by the browser sandbox.

[–] Johanno@feddit.org 11 points 2 months ago

A few advantages.

  1. You can make app specific notifications.

  2. You can stop worrying about security since you just lock the electron version

  3. The user thinks it is an actual app and that this is better.

[–] MP3Martin@programming.dev 7 points 2 months ago

Example with Discord (a website and an electron app): You have to download the desktop app to have stuff like: game activity (show others what game you are playing), global hotkeys for stuff like muting microphone, local Krisp noise cancellation

[–] tudor@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Why I dislike web apps. They make the devs lazy enough to not bother making a native app

[–] Mobiledecay@lemmy.world 43 points 2 months ago

I switched to Firefox because of Googlea plans to stop adblockers.

[–] comador@lemmy.world 35 points 2 months ago (13 children)

I still prefer FF or Vivaldi over Google Chrome. Yes Vivaldi is Open Source Chromium, but at least it doesn't have the Chrome crap in it.

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 30 points 2 months ago

Vivaldi contains Chromium, but it isn't itself open-source, by the way.

They say of themselves that "for all practical purposes the Vivaldi source code is available for audit". I would not fully agree with that either, but I guess, at that point the open-source purists have already lost interest anyways.

https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/privacy/is-vivaldi-open-source/

[–] NickwithaC@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (5 children)

It's still the same rendering engine. There are two browsers.

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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

download Librewolf

Look inside

It's Firefox but with good defaults and configs

:3

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Mozilla Corp's Gecko Engine has allowed several non-corporate flavored browsers into existence, such as various forks on their github or Waterfox.

Then if you dont mind slow speeds you can try Tor Browser.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 months ago

"guys ios is bad try android"

looks inside android: its literally bad

"guys try this fork of android"

looks inside: it's better, i guess.

technology fucking sucks, remember when you could just buy software and that shit worked? Yeah me neither i use linux shits free over here.

[–] Solrac@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

Firefox and Forks, or perish.

[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 9 points 2 months ago (10 children)

What's preventing me, a private user, from just creating my own web browser? it's a program like any other that just needs to be able to access each websites' server and display its files right? You can't tell me that nobody else has ever wanted to make their own alternative, so why do we never hear about them?

[–] Eiri@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago (7 children)

It's possible. But it's a huge undertaking. If you just wanted to fully understand all of the specifications for HTTP, JavaScript and CSS, it'd take you days before having written a single line of code.

Then you need to write all that in a performant way.

Then you need to keep up with all the new features.

Then you need to keep up with all the new security threats.

Browsers nowadays are practically little operating systems. So the question is not that far off from asking what prevents you from writing an alternative to Windows.

You can. But it'll cost millions, or maybe billions, to build something good.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Probably the fact that you could work for the rest of your life and never catch up to the current spec. It's enormous, and they're adding more things faster than you could ever keep up with.

Even MS couldn't be bothered any more, and that's a $3 trillion business.

Which is why there's only three browser engines in any kind of use.

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[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 18 points 2 months ago

Because they're giant applications that do a lot under the hood that you don't see. Of course you can write your own, we did that during my degree but it was extremely basic.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 9 points 2 months ago

a program like any other that just needs to be able to access each websites’ server and display its files right?

In software engineering "just" is often considered a dirty word.

Rendering HTML and CSS correctly is not trivial.

Doing JavaScript to spec also is not trivial.

Doing all your http verb network request stuff is also not trivial.

Plus the interface (probably graphical) is a lot of work.

There's also probably a thousand other things that would eat up time. Displaying all the different image formats, for example.

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[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

thorium/vivaldi and firefox are cool

[–] jas@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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