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[–] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You know what really feels like freedom?

When you're looking to buy an inexpensive test phone for coding, and you see recommendations for Chinese brands, so you go to their websites and such... and a hour later and a rabbit hole later you discover your shithole country has banned certain brands for no actual articulable reason. Just some vague "Chinese spyware!" To which my question is always, even if that's true, which I doubt, isn't the bootloader unlocked? I'll just install some other rom. "NOPE, CHINA SPY WARE BALLOONS DONT YOU GET IT?!?"

Land of the free, home of the brave my asshole. Can't even buy the phone you want without Uncle Sam having a say.

It should be worrying to all these FREEDOM LOVING PATRIOTS ™️ that the US is becoming less "free" (as far as private commodity purchases go) but, it turns out, it was never about freedom or not, it was just about racism and nationalism. 🎵 whomp whomp 🎵

[–] SeducingCamel@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

Only the finest AMERICAN spyware is allowed on my phone

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 year ago

FREEDOM*

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[–] timicin@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

and a hour later and a rabbit hole later you discover your shithole country has banned certain brands for no actual articulable reason. Just some vague “Chinese spyware!” To which my question is always, even if that’s true, which I doubt, isn’t the bootloader unlocked? I’ll just install some other rom. “NOPE, CHINA SPY WARE BALLOONS DONT YOU GET IT?!?”

I used to hate this this super annoying non sequitur too; but it's meant that I've been employable at a time when most wouldn't give me the time it day so I'm okay w it now. Lol

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’ve been employable at a time when most wouldn’t give me the time it day

Care to elaborate on this?

[–] timicin@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

the knee jerk policies from multiple government entities about how china is gaining technological & economic leverage forced multiple chinese companies either respond or lose access to the american market and this came at a time when communications for employment offers from recruiters and companies have slowed to less than a trickle.

i suspect that the reduction to a trickle is a result of a blacklisting from a very well connected silicon valley firm since i'm in a super lucrative field w very high unemployment rates; but still get very little attention and i'm usually MUCH more successful w non-western firms, especially lately.

[–] smollittlefrog@lemdro.id 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Freedom ™️ finally came to China.

That sucks though. I hate that Android, which used to be the pride of nerds due to its customization options, is locking down more and more year after year.

Even if people don't care for their phones/tablets, ok, but the "trusted" default companies are all dogshit. Now google is implementing shit that seems like it will effectively eliminate custom roms in the next few years by making it impossible (or very hard anyway) to use apps that use their "security" shit.

I use android and ios (because I'm a freak) and it makes me sad to think that the only reason for using android at all (and I'm not trying to do a fanboy war. I literally use both OS) which is the ability to install basically whatever the fuck I want might be gone someday soon. This mostly matters day to day (and I suspect this is the REAL motivation here) in apps like modified YouTube, Spotify, Twitch, Twitter etc. all for the purpose of removing annoying/no-one-asked features and, of course, the endless deluge of ads. I know "the end of Adblock!" fearmongering has been a constant for at least a decade now, and I'm sure longer, but as these corporations lock down operating systems and apps further and further we may actually be approaching that moment for real. It's very clearly in the interest of the corporations to do it, but obviously consumers hate it, so they've been slow boiling us and at this point maybe finally they're letting it boil. I suppose we'll see. Google still makes the Pixel series for now, but the changes with the trust system (I forget their name for it. Safetynet and all that shit) make loading custom roms possible but increasingly impractical. Just hate to see it.

[–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

OK so hear me out comrades.

"US bans China from destroying Capitalism."

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think you may be on to something here :)

[–] Redderthanmisty@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago

"China builds an island with a small town that utilises the capitalist system of economy, allowing them to spread communism to the rest of the world, and capitalism becomes all but destroyed thanks to the town's preservation project."

[–] kig_v2@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

And yet they are accused of only stealing tech. Socialist ingenuity will weather any isolation!

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Hot take: Even if they did steal tech from US companies, who cares? I don't just say that about China supposedly stealing from the US, I think corporate espionage in general is by no means unethical, for either side and any other party. I'm against patents and trade secret legislation as a whole, and even most of the noncommunists on Lemmy claim to also be against them, so I ask you what makes this different? When we get corporate infighting like this, the consumer (AKA, us) wins as more competitive, improved, and better tailored options pop up especially for niches that the original did not serve very well. For the vast majority of human history, "stealing" of technology and unrelated parties taking and modifying it was not just common, it was inevetable. If you invent something, start selling it, and someone else decided to imitate it and also start selling it, up until just a few generations ago that was seen as a normal part of the development process and no one would have batted an eye, and it led to improvements in the technology, including some of the most important inventions from the pre-capitalist age. The phenomenon of corporations withholding technology for profit with the backing of the law is an extremely recent thing, and why should we be defending it in any form again?

[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago

Libs be like: IP laws suck and should be abolished unless my political enemies want something I have

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

Capitalists don't like it when China "steals" their IP, but never seem to want to pay back royalties on gunpowder, paper, printing, and the compass.

Curious.

[–] MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Turns out it was tech transfers that these dumbasses were signing all along. Meaning they made a deal...they got to exploit China's labor force and China got legal access to their IP.

Signs away IP

"How dare they steal my IP!"

[–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

They really can't be stealing tech from us companies. In almost all cases they just bought it from some college. Our tax dollars paid for it and companies have it represent that value of it being stolen. If China takes it and makes better products we can buy that us actually a good return on investment for us.

[–] kig_v2@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

It is just a usual expression of Western ego. They ignore the shoulders of giants they stand on, the collective humanity which has enabled them to add their grain of sand, and then demand to be recognized as a god for their miniscule contribution to this millenias long process.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The USSR achieved virtually every space race first except landing a man on the moon. And that was after ~30 years that included two world wars, a civil war + invasion by the premier world powers of the day, and a starting point of a largely pre-industrial backwater.

[–] kig_v2@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm honestly amicable at this point to the conspiracy that the pig fuckers faked the moon landing. It wouldn't be the first massive deception they have committed.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Nah, that's crank shit.

[–] Addfwyn@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Socialist ingenuity will weather any isolation

Which is hilarious because the capitalists always argue that innovations requires capitalism. They particularly like to point at smartphones, yet cell phones themselves were created in the USSR. Space race? USSR by almost every meaningful metric. The obvious ones people know about, but the USSR are STILL the only country to ever land on Venus.

A few others include:

Medical innovations: The world's first artifical heart, the world's first lung transplant, the world's first liver transplant, cadaveric blood transfusions. All USSR.

Pressure suits and underwater welding? USSR.
Electronic Cigarettes (some people argue the benefits but this is the only thing that helped me quit smoking). China.

Synthetic bovine insulin? China.

Meningitis B Vaccine? Cuba.

Freaking lung cancer vaccine (still in testing admittedly). Cuba.

Capitalists shut down innovation unless they can profit from it. I would argue most of our greatest achievements have been thanks to socialism.

[–] kig_v2@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

And even when capitalist countries invent something useful, 99% of the time it is done in the PUBLIC SECTOR 🙄

[–] iridaniotter@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The US was like, OK what if we were Trisolaris but incompetent

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

English speaking pro-China Twitter has been going nuts with Michael Jordan level dunks on Westoid China Watchers who claimed China would never have a chip industry.

I think the current western cope is "the chip is 2 or 3 years behind the latest snapdragon". Well yeah, that'd be a great point if time stops and China stops advancing. They just built a chip industry from scratch in 5 years and they're only 2 or 3 years behind the state of the art. At this rate of advancement what will they have in another 5 or 10 years?

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, the copes are getting increasingly more desperate.

[–] quality_fun@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago

but but but china can't innovate! /s

[–] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

This was so based, if only for the reason that westoids can no longer cope by saying "b-b-but they're using american designed chips"