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The US and its CIA-controlled “soft power” arm utilized the encrypted social media app Telegram to foment riots and protest movements against foreign governments it deems undesirable, former Trump administration official and free speech activist Mike Benz has said.

These statements were made during an interview with American journalist Tucker Carlson on his show Wednesday. Benz, a State Department official under the Trump administration, now runs the free speech watchdog Foundation for Freedom Online.

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The US has championed free speech globally for decades, “in large part” because it allows the country to build resistance and political or paramilitary movements “in countries where the US State Department seeks political control,” the former official said. Durov’s end-to-end encrypted social media app Telegram has been instrumental in this effort, Benz claimed.

The reason “26 US-government-funded NGOs” condemned Russia for attempting to ban Telegram in 2018 was that “the US State Department was using Telegram,” utilizing its encryption and local popularity “to foment protests and riots within Russia – just as they did in Belarus, Iran, Hong Kong, and attempted to do in China,” the former State Department official stated. The app’s encryption is a powerful means of evading state control over media and allowing “US-funded political groups or dissidents to garner tens of thousands of supporters with relative impunity,” he added.

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[-] darkcalling@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 2 months ago

Viewed in light of this it seems likely they wanted to cement control of Telegram and the founder refused their advances.

It's not enough for the US to be able to utilize a thing for their ends, they desire the ability to deny their enemies the same (which flies in the face of the liberal notion of freedom of speech not just for who you like but those you dislike). As well as probably wanting technical data and backdoors to identify both puppets and pawns as well as enemy groups they can target for surveillance, harassment, arrest, deplatforming, etc.

In light of these kinds of tactics one has to look at something like Tor with a skeptical eye. Maybe it was just made before all this was common practice. But I personally find those whisperings about the idea that 90% of exit nodes and other parts of the network are run by isnt'reali, US, and eyes intelligence agencies to allow de-anonymization on anyone but their people using it.

Anyway you look at it, this, the raid of Scott Ritter as well as the home of another RT host whose last hat was writing for a Nixonian realist conservative policy magazine, among many other actions and it seems the boot is coming down hard and fast. That is that the US firewall is being erected but unlike China's which seeks merely to control their own information space, the US is clamping down hard on anyone but them speaking or coordinating, organizing, putting forth opinions. They're no doubt incensed by the amount of conservatives in the US who view Russia sympathetically. The deranged agents of the FBI and so on who fully bought into the de-bunked Russia-gate hoax clearly see any sympathy as evidence of Russian meddling and the larger strategy moving above and beyond them of the state is to crush movements against its interests now.

From crushing Palestinian genocide protestors (and going so far as to punish the proles by banning medical face masks) to this they're reaching out to crush and achieve total dominance on all fronts for all their narratives from their settler-colonial genocide-state isn'treal to the Russian antagonism, to China and beyond. That's why we see a resurgence in pushing the Xinjiang genocide lie again as well I think.

And it's why Tiktok was banned, why Kaspersky was banned (not sharing data with the NSA like US AV firms do), and why they're now harassing this Telegram guy.

[-] chad1234@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 months ago

Like most of the "encrypted" chat apps, TG was mostly not E2E encrypted, meaning TG or whoever has access to its servers could read everything. Plus there is probably a backdoor which allows the E2E messages to be cracked by whoever wrote the code.

Mr Durov is now blocked from leaving France, and may be forever. Effectively France has seized control of the TG. What they will do with it is unclear.

Maybe TG will follow a similar fate to Reddit. Founder Aaron Swartz pushed to suicide by the capitalist dictatorship. Reddit later blamed for everything wrong with the USA and forced to ban most of its users.

[-] shath@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago
[-] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 months ago

Not sure what to think about Benz. He seems to go against the grain but almost everything he says or writes or summaries of his arguments can be read as coded support for US imperialism. It's unclear who his messages are for. While they might lend support to anti-imperialists, there is enough in there for just a different kind of imperialist.

The US and its CIA-controlled “soft power” arm utilized the encrypted social media app Telegram to foment riots and protest movements against foreign governments it deems undesirable …

And:

… “26 US-government-funded NGOs” condemned Russia for attempting to ban Telegram in 2018 [because] “the US State Department was …” utilizing its encryption and local popularity “to foment protests and riots within Russia – just as they did in Belarus, Iran, Hong Kong, and attempted to do in China,” …

Is this an exposé on the US/CIA? Maybe. What critic doesn't already suspect such behaviour? The claim can be read as an attempt to persuade users and potential users that TG is so secure even the CIA uses it.

Combine this with the following:

The US has championed free speech globally for decades …. Durov’s end-to-end encrypted social media app Telegram has been instrumental in this effort …

Is this a double-bluff attempt to get anti-imperialists to reject TG because it has been used to undermine their governments? The claims appear to say something but the intent is unclear.

Finally:

The app’s encryption is a powerful means of evading state control over media and allowing “US-funded political groups or dissidents to garner tens of thousands of supporters with relative impunity,” …

Another not-so-subtle hint that TG is secure enough to use for all of your anti-imperialist organising.

The alternative is that RT is picking this story up in this way to settle US nerves. Maybe Russia already has access to encrypted TG messages/metadata and has used it to root out US spies/saboteurs.

It's a strange one but I don't think Benz can be read as just stating 'facts'. The other irony is that he is a free speech activist. Does he agree with the US pushing free speech, despite the CIA angle? Or does he think speech should be censored where it is used to undermine other/any government(s)?

[-] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 months ago

Their source is Mike Benz… on the Tucker Carlson podcast?

Really pulling out the irrefutable sources I see.

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