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Kotaku being Kotaku (lemmy.today)
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At this point I'm going to Ladbrokes and betting against everything Kotaku promotes. They are like Jim Cramer of the gaming industry.

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[-] pyrflie@lemm.ee 145 points 1 week ago

The fact that movies aren't being wholesale investigated for money laundering is a travesty at this point.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 5 days ago

What the fuck are you talking about?

[-] bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I had a conversation with my sister about that recently.

The amount of shows and movies that have $100,000,000+ budgets is rising, yet more and more of them feature very limited sets, small casts of mostly mid range talent, and a dozen executive producers all putting up their own money (this is all especially prominent with big shows on streaming networks, cough Star Trek cough The Acolyte)

Here's my comparison: a group of 10 investors come out and announce they're spending a billion dollars to develop a new luxury car. They drum it up as being the next big thing. Then, when it comes out, it's about as nice and luxurious as a base model Toyota Camry. Fine, but not "a billion dollars" fine. Immediately, everyone would be wondering where the hell that money went? There's definitely a chance it was just squandered, but you have to wonder. When you have a group of private investors with executive power over the project, what goes on behind closed doors?

For all we know, they're literally just passing massive checks in a circle to one another to say "yes, it says right here in our bank records that we spent a combined $100,000,000", meanwhile only 25% actually goes into the production, and they pocket the rest. Then, when the flock of people have to come and check out the new megaproject, all they need to recoup is a few million more than they spent (far less than the perceived budget), and they can run for the hills.

Anywho, crackpot theory time over. But think about it, if my simple brain can think this stuff up, why can't the hollywood bigwigs, who actually have the capital to make it happen?

[-] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 15 points 1 week ago

It gets better, because all the money they "lost" on a movie they can also write off. Oops, we didn't make any money this year because we put out 10 billion dollar movies and only made 10 million at the box office. Tax break please!

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[-] thesmokingman@programming.dev 120 points 1 week ago

The most frustrating thing about this article is that it completely ignores that good movies targeted at kids still have to be good. Personal complaints aside, the new Mario movie was reasonably good for adults and great for kids. Pixar keeps churning out things that are fantastic on many levels. Bluey is an amazing show that can resonate with kids and parents. I don’t for a minute buy the elitist bullshit of “well you’re not a kid so you can’t comment.” Muppet Treasure Island holds the fuck up as an adult so this writer can fuck right off.

[-] jacksilver@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago

What's also weird is Minecraft is 15 years old at this point. That means you've basically got a huge age range (kids to adults) within the target audience. Why isn't it targeted at the entire fanbase?

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[-] anonymous111@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago

I've been playing Minecraft off and on since the Beta. I usually play the "All the mods" packs when they launch.

I do not understand how people get so emotionally invested in an IP.

If it isn't a good movie who cares? Just spend your time doing something else.

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 83 points 1 week ago

Can't speak for everyone, but the reason that I care when one of my favorite IPs has a terrible movie, is because the terrible movie ensures that a good one will never be made.

They did a great job with Fallout, and now they are making a second season.

Then there's Borderlands.

I still haven't seen it, but I already know that the Borderlands movie I would have loved will never exist.

[-] Mirshe@lemmy.world 54 points 1 week ago

And in some cases, the IP getting a shit movie or show can tell the game developers "well, time to drop the entire brand for 15 years".

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[-] theparadox@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Just reiterating what others have said but... if you have an IP you like and want more of it in the future (regardless of medium!) then its success in any other medium will likely impact whether or not you get more.

Unfortunately, we live in a world where:

  • Money matters more to most IP holders than the IP itself

  • New IP is seen as risky

  • Those in charge don't have to take responsibility for their failures

If there is a commercial failure of an IP, there is a good chance that its failure will be seen as the IP generally failing or falling out of poluarity instead of the failure to best utilize the IP that likely occurred. As a result, priorities will often shift away from the IP to something else in all mediums (ex. ASOIAF/GOT). Unless the IP is absolutely gangbusters in all other mediums, it will suffer. Similarly, success will likely lead to more utilization of the IP in any medium.

It's unlikely that the IP owner will sell or license the IP in the near future because at one point it was popular and new IP is hard to make. It would be better to hoard IP and maybe try again in a decade when they need a trick up their sleeve. Plus, another failure might damage the IP even more.

Admittedly, I'm not attached to any brands or IP in particular and so I'm not invested really. I just makes me a little sad when some IP I thought well of has this happen... or when the person who benefits from the IP turns out to be a person I'd rather not give money to. Occasionally I'll ponder what might have been if things had gone differently and feel a little bad.

[-] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

If there is a commercial failure of an IP, there is a good chance that its failure will be seen as the IP generally failing or falling out of poluarity instead of the failure to best utilize the IP that likely occurred.

For example, when EA released Tiberian Twilight and it was absolutely awful and didn't sell, they said that people just didn't want RTS games anymore and shelved the entire C&C franchise. That was fourteen years ago and we haven't had a new C&C since then that wasn't mobile shovelware.

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[-] Jolteon@lemmy.zip 39 points 1 week ago

I mean, if you're going to make a movie based on a video game, shouldn't you aim it at The demographics that most commonly played that video game?

[-] BowtiesAreCool@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

You mean 5-12 year olds? Cause that’s what they did

[-] Sethayy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago

If were going average or median I would be genuinely surprised if it was under 20 ngl.

They advertise to kids cause kids and adults buy it then, advertise to adults and youre just cutting off part of your market - companies aren't so super sterilised these days cause today's youth are just super loaded

[-] Jolteon@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 week ago

I feel like Minecraft has kind of lagged in popularity with the current crop of 5 to 12-year-olds compared to some of the newer games, like Roblox.

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[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago

Why didn't they just make it a fucking animated movie?

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[-] jet@hackertalks.com 38 points 1 week ago

if it isn't meant for me, that's totally fine.

That also means it's not my fault when the thing that isn't meant for me doesn't get a audience, right? Right?

[-] hate2bme@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

It will have an audience.

[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

By this logic: "The Borderlands movie isn't meant for you."

[-] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Apparently it wasn't. I don't remember where I saw it, I think maybe a Kyle Bosman video, but Gearbox/Randy Pitchford basically said they made the movie to pull in people who hadn't played the games.

[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 week ago

I've said this before: Randy Pitchford isn't very smart.

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[-] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago

It seemed like it would be a cheesey movie with some dry humor and I was okay with it up until the girl character called Jack Black "a massive toolbag." Thats not what I expect from a movie oriented to children, and that made me immediately drop any interest I had left. Then the rest of the trailer somehow got worse with the llama scene, whatever that was.

They should have made the movie animated in the same style as all their commercials, with the characters in a Minecraft style skin based on their real world appearance. Have them start and end in real life, whatever. But boy is this not going to be good.

This looks like the 90s Mario movie all over again. Or the Sonic movie -- before they fixed Sonic. Like, even the Resident Evil and Tomb Raider movies are probably better than this and those movies were generally very inaccurate to their source material, and not well receieved.

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[-] zanyllama52@infosec.pub 35 points 1 week ago

Showed this to my kids. Their reaction was:

Kid 1: bruh

Kid 2: Is that the guy from Peaches?

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[-] glimse@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

I wouldn't watch it even if the trailer was really good but....I'm gonna shit on it for looking awful, not being targeted towards adults. That opening green screen shot looks AWFUL. I said in another thread it reminds me of those old car commercial edits with the Mark guy. The perspectives of the camera vs the background don't seem to fit

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

Its proof-of-concept. They're trying to get a movie out that's entirely tied to the brand, without spending a meaningful amount of money on scripting, art direction, location scouting, or talent. This is the future of AI Movies in a nutshell.

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[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Great article, because it applies to anyone who reads it.

[-] hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago

But the movie looks bad. That's why people are mad.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago

Reminder: Jack Black broke up Tenacious D to try to save this thing

and...

"Oh, no see, you're mad, but you see this version of the franchise isn't for you. It's for a new crowd that was alienated by the previous version and you need to be nice and let them have their..."

Shut the fuck up, if it's a version of a thing made for people who are defined by not liking the thing, it's not going to get the other crowd to like the thing, it's just going to piss off the people who do like it...

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[-] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 week ago

It's meant for whom, exactly?

[-] UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev 20 points 1 week ago
[-] bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Most of my favourite movies from when I was a kid are still great movies for me as an adult.

I would bet my next paycheck this is not the case for any kid who grows up seeing this movie. A good kids movie should age with you.

[-] Apeman42@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Children deserve better movies than this soulless green-screened cash grab.

They also deserve better games than Minecraft IMO, but that's a different conversation.

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[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Of course not.

I have taste.

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