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"Let's remember that he is South American and so his head is not as focused as Max Verstappen or as Sebastian Vettel was"

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[–] SlicingBot@lemmy.ml 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"Let's remember that he is South American and so his head is not as focused as Max Verstappen or as Sebastian Vettel was"

Ummm Mexico is in North America. So he is not only being insensitive but he is also incorrect

[–] Ambiorickx@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s because in Mexico, they don’t speak English. China? South American. Russia? South American. Quebec? South American.

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago

This joke doesn't really work when you're talking about a native Austrian!

[–] hypnotoad__@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Old man yells at cloud. He's an embarrassment

[–] xXxBigJeffreyxXx@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hope one day the full story gets told about the tremendous pressure and media scrutiny checo has contended with. Its very strange, there is always some excuse preventing him from getting any positive recognition. Undoubtably, race plays a factor here, even subconsciously.

If he fails to get on the podium, he apparently needs to be fired immediately. When he has a bad qualifying and cleanly overtakes half a dozen cars to finish 2nd, then its entirely the car that’s responsible. and, i guess, also due to his β€˜south american’ heritage.

Ironically, due to his inconsistent qualifying, and exceptional racecraft and tire management, he’s one of the more entertaining drivers to watch on raceday.

[–] Redredme@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Bullshit. Imho.

Old man saying stupid shit? For sure. Next to a load of experience old people bring old views of the world with them. Just talk to your dad/grand dad about the finer things of life. Chances are good you don't agree.

Checo being discriminated? If checo is being so discriminated.. what's he doing in the best car on the grid? For several seasons?!?!

I think the opposite. I think Checo is being liked by a lot on the grid. Checo just had 1 problem: Max. Max is humbling everyone this season. Checo unfortunately the most because he's in the same car. One day max will find his Senna, his Schumacher, his Lewis. But for now... He's up there. Peak form. Unrivalled.

If you're talking about some fans and some "journalists"... Yeah, just like irl some of those are assholes. That is not the general consensus, it's a small very Loud group.

And indeed race does had some impact on how the world views Checo. But I'm talking about something else then you. His race performance was lacking for a long time. And I think the old geezer Is telling us between the lines there was other stuff going on in Checo's life impacting his performance. And that unlike seb or max checo could not filter that out. And the old fart blames that on his "south American culture/upbringing" not race.

But read in it what you want. This is my opinion. Just as (in)valid as yours probably. :)

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 32 points 1 year ago

Red Bull has publicly stated that they are considering alternatives for Perez when his contract expires in 2024. Marko, who will be one who will be making that decision, is an old fashion racist.

[–] AstralPath@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Brutal. Retire now plz. That's such a narrow minded racist take.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It fits right with the rest of wider Red Bull.

[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

Oh the irony of your comment.

[–] hypnotoad__@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Honestly... How are we all ok with this? When is enough enough? This is so sad, we all just accept that this team boss is rotten

Someone please convince me that this mentality somehow doesn't permeate down to the rest of the team. Explain to me how the whole team is totally immune to this mentality, that no one has to dance around this racism, that all members of the RB team are free to share their real, true opinions about people based on their merit and contributions.

I'm not a huge fan of checo, but I certainly don't hate him, and certainly think he's at least earned his spot. This type of language and attitude is friggin hienous, though. It's how Nazi sympathizers speak. It shows how he truly feels - checo is less than based on his country of origin.

How are we ok with this? Ugh it frustrates me so hard.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm sure regular F1 fans don't even know about that and F1 media will not cover this in any way, just as they were silent when Rosberg was banned from attending the paddock after refusing vaccination.

[–] hypnotoad__@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep, wouldn't wanna rock that money boat. So sad.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Imagine completely factual reporting by Sky Sports and suddenly all RB drivers and other employees such as Horner are no longer available for interviews to them.

[–] koolkiwi@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

I mean... waves at Senna, who was actually South American

Maybe it's time to retire, Marko? That shit doesn't fly anymore

[–] gerryflap@feddit.nl 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What the fuck is that supposed to mean. This is just plain racism, unless we're missing some very important context. But I doubt it, because he's said stuff like this before according to the article.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Everything Mateschitz touched is basically a far right swamp. Servus TV also spread conspiracy theories around Covid.

[–] lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

That's pretty lame. WTF. Old school racism? Is Helmut from the past? Is it just me or does the RB garage seem to lean almost totally Caucasian?

[–] swolf@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

He’s a piece of shit. I have always disliked him. Although this is disgusting it doesn’t surprise me at all.

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 8 points 1 year ago

I think the answer to all your questions is YES.

[–] regul@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most of the garages are almost totally white. It's an issue.

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wouldn't that just be because most of the garages are based in middle England, and middle England is majority white? Obviously this has nothing to do with whatever the fuck is going through Marko's head, and doesn't address the problem of white kids in Britain generally coming from wealthier backgrounds and being more likely to succeed in techy careers, but this sounds like a very Americanised view of things.

[–] regul@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is F1 not able to attract global talent? Because there are plenty of schools around the globe that produce engineers who should be competitive with those from central England. If F1 can attract global talent but still only employs mostly white dudes from Milton-Keynes, that's an issue.

If F1 is not able to attract global talent, you have to ask why. You'd also have to wonder how much better the cars could be if they could.

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I assume so, but I guess not everyone wants to move to MK, it is a bit of a shithole

[–] regul@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Is is so bad that an excellent engineer and F1 fan would turn down an opportunity to work in F1 because they have to live there, or is it possible that F1 hiring is at best geographically biased?

[–] luckyhunter@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He's a 80 year old Austrian. Can't get much whiter than that.

[–] Wookie@artemis.camp 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey isn’t there another fella from Austria who was also a huge POS racist?

[–] luckyhunter@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

The Terminator has made some concerning comments for sure. Don't get me started on Sigmund Freud.

[–] SatouKazuma@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

What. the. fuck? Helm-out Marko should be his new name, because he needs to shut up and fuck off. Formula 1 should be better than this.

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As long as RedBull are winning and making money for F1 nothing will change. This old racist will continue to be racist. That's how the world works.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

nothing will change. This old racist will continue to be racist.

True but I think it's still necessary to publicize such comments and not sweep them under the rug.

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago

Yes true. However as I said, I don't think anything will happen. He's been saying racist dumb shit for years now without penalty. Just because he's an old rich European he gets away with it.

Money talks in F1. That's the bottom line. It sucks, but that's the way it is.

[–] kindenough@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Helmut needs to leave, seems that a lot of really old people can't get cured of their racism or even realize they are racist. It's tradition to them.

[–] luckyhunter@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hmm, Zhou confirmed to redbull? Everyone knows that Asian stereotype about focus.

[–] SatouKazuma@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly, I think Tsunoda would be closer to joining the main RB team. If Checo leaves, I'd love to see Yuki get a shot in a machine that isn't a shitbox on wheels.

[–] luckyhunter@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yuki and Zhou double Asian Focus!

[–] HerrVorragend@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

They can calculate the best strategy while driving!

[–] regul@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Almost as bad as the drivers on Grill the Grid at geography.

I bet he also considers Fernando and Carlos South American.

[–] Asifall@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I wonder how much (if any) leverage this gives Checo for contract renewals. If RBR let him go and he immediately sues them for discrimination it’s going to be a bad look.