I would rather build it myself than buying a cheap prebuilt one from a no name bc a friend of mine tried that and got scammed and realized way too late sadly

[–] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

That's not a bad build, really. Although I can't imagine the air cooler will be necessary for a 4500, much rather use the stock and possibly upgrade to 32gb RAM if in budget. My stock 2000 series Wraith cooler has done me well in 40c summers.

[–] zyratoxx@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Good call, you wouldn't need the cooler. Wasn't sure if the CPU comes packaged with one but apparently it does.

Tbh if I wanted to spend a bit more I personally would go for a 4TB HDD too instead of 2TB and maybe a 1TB M.2 NVMe SSD alongside the 32GB RAM

I made a build that would have included all of that alongside a Ryzen 7 5800X but that build would have been around 1000$ so quite a stretch from the 800$ mark.

(Tbh it would still fair better than the PS5 Pro if you were to purchase PS+ Essential for more than 3 years - with Extra and Premium it's even worse and since PC games are usually cheaper the free games & discounts don't really seal the deal for me)

[–] Teils13 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Free games are also available at PCs (Epic Store every week, FOSS games like 0ad, and sailing the high seas).

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[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 50 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Remember when some top Sony exec said that this generation wouldn't need a pro, and that that was a unique PS4 generation thing?

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[–] _sideffect@lemmy.world 40 points 2 months ago (12 children)

I'm not buying the pro, the PS6 or the next Xbox series console.

This gen felt like a waste of money to me, with only minute differences at a huge cost.

I'll wait until 4 years into the new console gen to decide.

Until then, I have my pc and my 7800xt Nitro+

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago (14 children)

“Minute differences” is a bit absurd. It may have been a bit too long since you’ve booted up your PS4.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I stopped after the PS3wii360 but I have to say, the PS4 was legit garbage that took FOREVER to load and played like poo (hence why I stopped) but I gotta admit the base PS5 and Xbox whatever are FANTASTIC machines. The AMD video chips and SSDs make a heck of a difference.

[–] CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

PS3wii360

That's pronounced "pthwee sixty"

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That’s really the key. The PS4 and even Pro were fighting for their lives by the end of the generation. Anyone who claims the upgrade to a PS5 was “minute” is lying to themselves about their ~~jet engine~~ PS4

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[–] Goronmon@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This gen felt like a waste of money to me, with only minute differences at a huge cost.

Nah, SSDs are a massive upgrade, even ignoring everything else.

I could never go back to the spinning disk hard drives.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Agreed. SSDs are insane. I have every console from the 2600 to the PS3wii360 but stopped at the PS4 Gen because they were terrible.

The PS5 is a wonderful machine (but I’m still only a computer bitch forever now)

[–] TheBraveSirRobbin@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

PS4 was fantastic! So many great games pushing the system to it's absolute limits like God of War, RDR2, and Bloodborne. Now with the PS5 we get games like God of War 2, Spider Man 2, and Elden Ring. And you can play them all on the PS4. But no, let's release a PS5 pro before even scratching the surface of what the PS5 is capable of

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago

Also gimme Bloodborne for my computer PLEASE and don’t require a PlayStation account AAAAAAAA

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Make no mistake, the 4 pro to the 5 is a huge upgrade. The disk read time from nvme alone is worth the upgrade. But the 5 to 5 pro doesn't really seem like it would be worth buying another console. The 6 might be worth a replacement, but who knows. That's 4 years away.

[–] Nikls94@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, the PS5 was the worst investment I made last year. I did never buy a PS4, I own PSX, 2 and 3 tho.

[–] tonyn@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago

It feels like PS3 was the biggest leap in technology. I loved my PS3, and had a ton of games for it. Since then it's been incremental, faster loading times, incrementally better graphics, and such. The PS5 makes loading screens on Bethesda games tolerable to me

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[–] garretble@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

This thing is expensive, and I probably won’t get one.

But the Panasonic 3DO cost $700 in 90s money and that thing sucked ass, so this price isn’t something we’ve never seen before.

Sony does need to read the room, though. It’s a bit of a bad look.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Prices have changed since then, tvs were serious investments that ate up a significant portion of your income. It was a different consideration back then.

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[–] Spaceinv8er@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Who is this guy and why should I care what he says?

Edit: Since no one could answer it. He's an indie developer and made a few games. Silver Falls, Clasherball, and Animelee. He also says he's a consultant, based on the video, but I couldn't find anything of him doing that.

So he's slightly a step above a regular guy making some video complaining.

[–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

He says in the video. He's been a marketing consultant for some really big companies. No one is better to talk about poor marketing decisions than someone who does it for a living and for big companies. And his iew point aligns closely with what most people are thinking.

Tbh you can decide for yourself how valid what he says it. Just watch the video. Its only short but it makes alot of sense.

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[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I don't think it's worth it, especially if you already own a PS5.

But what did people think it was going to cost?

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

PS4 was $400 at launch. PS4 Pro was $400 at launch.

Obviously tech is getting more expensive to produce instead of cheaper now, but still, a $200 markup from the base price is pretty damn huge.

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

PS4 Pro was still obscenely underpowered. Jaguar was terrible at PS4's original launch, and the boost on the Pro was marginal because it was still the same terrible underlying design.

Going into the PS5 pro, everyone projected this pricing, because it's actually modern hardware and their costs have went up instead of down.

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[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Computing hardware when the PS4 and PS4 pro came out was still in the before times when new hardware meant doing more for the same money. It’s been a minute since those times and that isn’t really something Sony has any control over.

Meanwhile you also have a weird phenomenon that didn’t exist during the PS4 generation where you have a huge spike in inflation between your base console and pro launch. When the PS5 launched at cost $500, but $500 then is more than $600 now. The PS5 pro is really only $100 more in 2024 money than the PS5 was at launch.

Maybe Sony is making the wrong move here but understanding the market and economy as it is today, I’m not sure what else they could have done besides not launch a pro console at all.

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[–] PunchingWood@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I will have to wait and see, but if it competes with high-end hardware on PC in terms of 4K support and high framerates I think €800 is pretty reasonable. I see people online claiming that it should've been like €600 or maybe €650. But a RTX4080 GPU alone is more expensive than that already, and it's not even top of the line. But if you want advanced raytracing, maxed out settings and 4K you'll definitely need something in that price range of GPUs at minimum.

People don't NEED to upgrade to the PS5 Pro, it seems more like an alternative for people who already own 4K TVs and want to make better use of it. I'd be more annoyed about the lack of a disc drive.

That said, I think the real issue is if developers start abandoning the original PS5 hardware in favor of the new ones and start getting lazy and stop optimising their games for the older PS5. Which would in fact make the upgrade to a Pro almost mandatory if you want to keep playing at reasonable framerates.

[–] Die4Ever@programming.dev 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

It won't come close to a 4080 so that isn't a sensible comparison. I think it's estimated to be slower than the regular 4070.

IDK why you mention 4k and max settings and high frame rates, PS5 Pro won't do these things. It's not even twice as fast as the regular PS5 which in many games drops below 1080p 60fps medium settings.

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[–] kryllic@programming.dev 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I regret buying a PS5 at all. I haven't been a PSN subscriber for over three years at this point and I don't feel inclined to be in the future. All the games my friends and I play are on PC and really the only game worth a damn is Astrobot, which is far and away the most fun platformer game I've played and is the sole game to justify that console purchase lol.

I echo the other comments here saying this generation is a waste, it really is and there is nothing really to be gained by getting the latest and "greatest" console today. Maybe it's just a sign of the times that consoles just don't have that much pull like they used to, unless they're portable like the Steam Deck or Switch.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Sony saw the incredible success of the Stadia and is moving in that direction.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I love my PS5.

But I also just got a Ryzen 9 5900x for $300 off, I have a RTX 2070 Super. My PS5 can play games with HDR at 4k at 30fps. Big ol 65" screen. With the Ryzen 7 3700x I could get like 70 FPS on cyberpunk 2077 on my 2k monitor 27" screen, no HDR with DLSS3 enabled.

The processor upgrade alone was an huge boost to game quality for $250. Since I now don't have to replace all my internals to utilize an RTX 4080 Super, I'm getting one of those.

The RTX 4080 Super has an HDMI 2.1 port, so I can use VRR on my TV and enjoy the 120hz smooth frame rate.

The PS5 pro is essentially the same as the PS4 Pro was the last generation. It you have a PS5, you won't notice a huge difference.

[–] _sideffect@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Look into moonlight streaming and you can get the same PC experience on your tv, too

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Is it still kicking? I didn't have a lot of success with it in the past, I'll give it another shot

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. I recommend using Sunshine instead of Nvidia game streaming.

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[–] _sideffect@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Hell yeah, it's awesome

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