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[–] Utter_Karate@hexbear.net 47 points 1 month ago

I don't want to sound like a Putinist gigafascist, but I think Ukraine may have more than one problem.

[–] Weedian@hexbear.net 44 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Their cope cages

Our ingenious improvised protection

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago

I prefer "Munitions Stand-Off Fence" but I just call them cope cages normally

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 39 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They should just do what I did in every game of Command & Conquer

Send every single tank they have out on a Death or Glory strike

Then when the Brotherhood of Nod (Russia[the bad guys]) is busy fighting the tanks, you send an APC holding a single engineer to capture their Mobile Construction Unit and win the game

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago

Engineer, trying to figure out where the construction yard went

[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

literally Kursk offensive (if it can even be called that)

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well, give it another year or so and it'll get its pejorative nickname

Something like Zelensky's Folly or the Kursk Krunch

[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago
[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The tank losses om both sides has been staggering tbh

[–] someone@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I'm wondering if the traditional tank is just plain obsolete in the age of drones.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

Shit against Russia's navy drones were pretty effective. Those things are something else

[–] EmoThugInMyPhase@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

we need to retvrn to napoleonic warfare where both sides march in unison to the front lines, and only shoot when commanders on both sides give the signal at the same time

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[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

I seriously wonder if the future of warfare is going to be about who can field the most drones and there are few (if any) actual troops anywhere near the battlefield. Even a little 8" drone armed with a 9mm firearm could be more effective than having a rifleman that needs to eat, sleep, and is at risk of dying. If your drone "dies," it's not an issue because the operator with experience is 100 miles away and just switches to a different drone.

Nations with more manufacturing capabilities and stronger economies no longer have to worry about troops. Their experienced pilots can't be harmed, so they're only limited by how much material they can send out into the field. Casualties become a thing of the past. Even better is you can salvage your damaged drones or even enemy drones. That's something you can't do with people.

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago

There is no longer main battle.

[–] copandballtorture@hexbear.net 27 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Last week I had one of my libs grinning while talking about how Ukraine has Russia on the ropes after their own "special military operation" into Russian territory.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 month ago

libs continue to live in an alternate reality

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

Libs are delusional

[–] CommCat@hexbear.net 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Can't wait for the first F-16 to be shot down by the Russians. Ukraine already lost one, but it supposedly crashed instead of being shot down by the Russians. There is also a high chance that it was shot down by their own air defence lol, either way the air chief was canned instantly.

These US/NATO wunderwaffe are not so wonderful when faced with an equal foe. Their biggest selling points were that they were tested in real world combat, but it's easy to look amazing against much weaker armies. Same thing with all these American mercs who thought it was gonna be another walk in the park like Iraq lol

[–] EmoThugInMyPhase@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

Not only their own air defense, but a patriot missile lol

[–] emiellr@lemm.ee 15 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The tanks can be as realiable as can be, but ain't nobody can do smth about the air being full of drones...

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 46 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They suck anywhere that doesn't have infrastructure to support their 65+ ton heavy asses

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 37 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I was like, "no fucking way", so I looked it up:

it is one of the heaviest tanks in service at nearly 73.6 short tons (66.8 metric tons).

capitaldcolon This motherfucker weighs more than a Ferdinand tank destroyer......... that is one thicc main battle tank...

[–] Judge_Juche@hexbear.net 30 points 1 month ago (3 children)

American weight creep. Like the newest Bradleys weight like 30 tons, slightly heavier than a WW2 medium tank and twice as heavy as a BMP (which the Bradley was suppose to be a copy of).

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Just like the cars, joke country.

[–] EmoThugInMyPhase@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

Big Gulp Tank

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

Does this mean the US will actually try to create Bolo tanks due to sheer hubris?

[–] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

now look at the weight of the NAMER IFV

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)
[–] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Namer is basically a main battle tank with people instead of a gun

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago

Genius tactical design...

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago

The American on, presumably

[–] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 month ago

heavier than a T90 if I remember correctly

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They should have sat on them all and used them in the Kursk offensive primarily on roads instead of having them sink in soft soil across Ukrainian fields where they get wrecked by artillery and drones.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 26 points 1 month ago

Honestly would've been light-years ahead of the strategy they used

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 30 points 1 month ago

"Are Abrams tanks getting long in the tooth, impractical for actual use, and approaching obsolescence? No, it is the drones that are wrong."

[–] YourHomieRobespierre@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago

Still love the ~~truck~~ tank!

[–] EmoThugInMyPhase@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Maybe if they got 32 tanks the tides of war would change

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Seriously though I don't know why they thought a few dozen Abrams would do anything. The US deployed over 2,000 tanks during Desert Storm and that was basically a skirmish compared to what's going on in Ukraine.

[–] someone@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My theory is that the NATO MIC is treating the war like a lab experiment. They give Ukraine a handful of export versions of all sorts of different hardware, then see how the Russian military takes them out for their own R&D purposes.

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[–] StalinistApologist@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago

Thats about 64.5161290322580%!

tankie

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

It is time to work on my stormworks tank again (has a tiny turret, light weight)

[–] ahriboy@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 month ago

Expect that autoloader variant of M1A2 Abrams, AbramsX would lose soon.

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