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[-] MudMan@fedia.io 156 points 3 weeks ago

I think this thread is meant to flatter programmers and make linguists and sociologists extremely angry.

[-] Swallowtail@beehaw.org 30 points 3 weeks ago

As someone with a background in linguistics, my jimmies are indeed rustled.

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[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

IDK, comparing Javascript to English while Java to German seems to either overblow the value of javascript or diminish the value of English.

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[-] Mad_Punda@feddit.org 104 points 3 weeks ago

I suspect there’s more people who speak Python fluently than Esperanto. So that comparison sits very wrong with me. The rest was funny :)

Esperanto always struck me as more perl-like with each part of speech having its own suffix like perl has $ for scalars, @ for arrays, and % for hashes. Though perl is probably more like a bunch of pidgins...

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[-] where_am_i@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 weeks ago

Esperanto's equivalent would probably be Haskell.

Python is probably more like Spanish. Very easy basics, but then people from different regions of where it's has spread out barely understand each other

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[-] nifty@lemmy.world 88 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Is this post sane-washing Russia? What’s left about Russia under Putin? Overall funny, though

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 18 points 3 weeks ago

It's a post by the lemmy dev, so yeah that's a given

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[-] Birbatron@slrpnk.net 62 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

the root of all modern languages

the whole universe used to speak it

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

P.S: the closest thing to that is Egyptian, but not the language, the Alphabet (the Symbols, not a literal alphabet). Tons of alphabets are descended from Egyptian, including, but not limited to: Greek (and by Proxy Latin, Cyrillic, Georgian, Armenian, Armenian and Armenian (I just noticed this, I'm leaving it in because it's funny)), Arabic (and by proxy- I won't list all that), Hebrew, and Aramaic (and by proxy all Indian languages but one, as well as Tibetan, Phags-pa mongol (and by proxy exactly 5 letters of Hangul), Thai, Lao, Sundanese, and Javanese). There's a lot of dead languages that used scripts derived from Egyptian too but I didn't mention them because I'd be here all day listing stuff like Sogdian or Norse Runes.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

BASIC: Am I a joke to you?

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[-] Juice@midwest.social 55 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Why is everyone down on Rust? Seriously. I don't know it but I've considered learning it and it appeals to me and people literally scoff when I mention it. Saw it referred to as a meme language on Lemmy, which is built in Rust. What am I missing?

[-] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 45 points 3 weeks ago

Butthurt C devs don't want it replacing their language.

[-] rain_worl@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

as guy who likes c: think rust is a good and cool idea

[-] Feyd@programming.dev 32 points 3 weeks ago

I think rust has good ideas and may even become the default systems language in the mid-term. I find it irritating that there is a very vocal subset of rust proponents that tend to insist that every project in every language needs to be rewritten in rust immediately. I suspect that is also why other people are down on rust.

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[-] fl42v@lemmy.ml 23 points 3 weeks ago

I think ppl just got pissed with the fanboys unironically asking to RIIR everything. The language itself is comfy AF, tho

[-] uis@lemm.ee 16 points 3 weeks ago

For me "The Critical Flaw" of rust is its compiler. And requirent of 12 GB of disk space to compile just the frontend of compiler. Even GCC will all frontends(C, C++, Ada, Fortran, Modula-2, JIT) requires less space.

But joke is probably about "rewrite in rust" culture.

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[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 weeks ago

I don't think many ppl are down on rust... it's won developer's most favorite to use for like 5+ years now in a row on stackoverflow.

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[-] kaida@feddit.org 50 points 3 weeks ago

I finally found the real reason why I like java: I‘m german

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[-] vga@sopuli.xyz 44 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

PHP is Russian. Used to be huge, caused lots of problems, now slowly dwindling away. Its supporters keep saying how it's still better than the competition.

[-] bricklove@midwest.social 41 points 3 weeks ago

In Soviet Russia memory manages you!

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 34 points 3 weeks ago

It's a cool meme but I have many many disagreements.

[-] amuck1924@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago

I can confidently tell you that no one who actually knows Latin would ever say French is "Latin with fancy rules."

[-] sus@programming.dev 36 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

..which ironically makes for a perfect parallel with "C/C++"

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[-] mercano@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago

It fits, English and JavaScript are both three languages in a trench coat.

[-] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 28 points 3 weeks ago

As a python developer, I'll accept the shower joke in stride. But who are these Esperanto speakers you're shitting on?

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[-] CodexArcanum@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I guess assembler is sumerien then, only still written and understood? And cobol or fortran? Linear a and b?

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 17 points 3 weeks ago

FORTRAN: Proto-Indo-European COBOL: Proto-Sino-Tibetic

Assembly: neuron signals

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[-] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 3 weeks ago

Well latin isn't the root of all modern languages

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[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 24 points 3 weeks ago

But people like and appreciate German.

[-] roofuskit@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, I enjoyed learning German... Java on the other hand....

[-] OpenStars@discuss.online 24 points 3 weeks ago

Perl is... forgotten entirely, despite its efforts in getting us from there to here.

Yup, checks out.

PHP also, but good riddance:-D.

Shell scripting is the ink that makes up these words - without them, you would never have seen this image.

[-] kboy101222@sh.itjust.works 19 points 3 weeks ago

I think Perl is closer to Esperanto - the vast majority of people will never want to learn it and the people that know it won't stfu about how everyone should use it! And they could all use a shower!

(I kid... Mostly)

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[-] bonus_crab@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago

Rust is esperanto because its only actually used by a small group of nerds,

python is russian because everything made in it is unreliable.

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[-] Flipper@feddit.org 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I want to disagree on German. It isn't verbose. We've got several words where there isn't an equivalent in pretty much any other languages. Including Schadenfreude und Torschlusspanik (the feeling that you are getting older l, can't find a partner and will die alone).

The same EU legal text has in German 22.118 words Vs English 24.698.

The making me cry part, that's fair. Overcomplicated, could be worse.

[-] kenbw2@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago

The same EU legal text has in German 22.118 words Vs English 24.698.

That needs a character count really. Words isn't a particularly relevant measure when the language uses compound words

[-] dirkgentle@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 weeks ago

I think word count is not the best metric precisely because of what you mention. "Krankenversicherungskarte" is one word vs the three word "health insurance card", but they convey the same information in roughly the same amount of characters.

Overall I don't find German particularly verbose, only sometimes a small phrase is condensed into a single word.

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[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 22 points 3 weeks ago

Java, verbose? laughs in Pascal

Python being Esperanto? Yeah, no, because Python is actually being used

[-] TheImpressiveX@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 weeks ago

Out of curuosity, what is the programming equivalent of Japanese?

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 23 points 3 weeks ago

I was tempted to say Ruby, but based on my friends that are learning (or tried to learn Japanese), it seems like Ruby is trying to be the opposite. So not sure.

Ruby would maybe fit with toki pona : terse, simple, predictable.

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[-] flamingos@feddit.uk 21 points 3 weeks ago

Clojure, a simple grammar but most of the vocabulary is imported from another language.

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[-] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 3 weeks ago

Hearing about Esperanto the first time. Hate itwhen someone copies my idea and does it in 1887

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Гарантийный без ошибки памятей!

I unironically think it would be hilarious to write a borrow-checked version of Адрес. (The Soviet version of C - or rather C is a version of it, given that Адрес was first compiled in '55)

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[-] Wiz@midwest.social 17 points 3 weeks ago

Ackshully, Clojure is Esperanto, and I will not be taking questions at this time.

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[-] Lysergid@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 weeks ago

Can anyone actually tell what exactly complicated in Java? Verbose, maybe it was at some point but I find it very straightforward and easy.

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[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

This is highly inaccurate:

D: Esperanto. Highly derivative of C (Latin), designed by people previously writing compilers. It's not being taken seriously as such.

Russian is nowadays being speaken by right-wing authoritarians instead, and any programmer that is auth-right is either coding in C/C++, or a Javascript/Python dev pretending to be a C/C++ dev to "gatekeep" nulangs (sic).

[-] amuck1924@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

Rust is more like Lojban. Its adherents are just as excited to tell you about it and it too was created to fix all those pesky problems from people using their language imprecisely.

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