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submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by HarryLime@hexbear.net to c/askchapo@hexbear.net

Basically a repost pf things I said in the mega, but anecdotally I'm hearing that sales of fiction read by men are dropping precipitously, and English and literature classes in colleges are now dominated by women. It seems like young men are not being exposed to literature in the same way that they used to. Like, when I was in high school and college, you could be a "bro" kind of guy and read Chuck Palahniuk, or Hunter S. Thompson, or David Foster Wallace. For decades, authors like Hemmingway and Bukowski found receptive audiences in young men, not to mention all the crime fiction, horror, sci-fi, and fantasy that men have traditionally consumed. The "guy in your English class who loves David Foster Wallace" was a stereotype for a reason. I read in another thread that music is less culturally important to young men than it used to be. It seems like younger men just straight up see no value in reading literature or fiction, or exposing themselves or critically engaging with art and music, because the algorithms just railroad them into Alpha Gridset world.

Am I wrong about this? Am I being condescending and out of touch, or is this a real thing that's happening, where the whole "male" culture is turning into grindset podcasts and streamers?

Edit: Okay, so the impression I'm getting is that everything is worse but also kind of the same as it ever was, which sounds right.

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[-] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago

18 year olds listen to me bitch about capitalism

You're welcome?.. I think? bulborb-stare

[-] Chronicon@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago

idk a lot of young people who read outside of school, and I do interact with HS and up people on the reg. But that also applies to older people ig. We're all on that slop train. And it's a lot harder to get an idea of what people are consuming when its all algorithms in their phone not a physical book in their hands or on their shelf. So idk exactly how fucked we are but its definitely not great.

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Younger people seem to read less novels and more stuff they find online like creepy pastas, fan fiction, smut, etc.

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Men no longer reading Western Canon Literary Classics, billions must die. I think youngmen culture was probably fucked long before dudes stopped reading fuckin Hemmingway.

Sure hope nothing silly happens in this thread snom

[-] HarryLime@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago

what an odd reaction to have to my question

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago

It just seems like an odd "THEYRE NOT READIN ANYMORE type of thing when guys had no problem being just as insufferable when they did ostensibly read, too?

[-] HarryLime@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago

I frankly think you're being the insufferable one.

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 14 points 2 weeks ago

Uh okay, I guess. Idk it's like, I think framing it around "they aren't reading the classics anymore!" is kinda weird is all. I mean western academia broadly isn't exactly progressive, right? Nothing in the western canon of classics upholds hedgemonic masculinity right?

If I had to hazzard a guess, I'd say a lot of non-attendance of english lit classes probably has as much to do with worsening economic conditions. But you have this:

seems like younger men just straight up see no value in reading literature or fiction, or exposing themselves or critically engaging with art and music,

right next to this:

For decades, authors like Hemmingway and Bukowski found receptive audiences in young men, not to mention all the crime fiction, horror, sci-fi, and fantasy that men have traditionally consumed.

I just do not really understand "the culture is fucked because the lads aren't in english lit classes". It seems weird. The average normo has always had atrocious media sensibilities.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago

They aren't writing in support of Hemingway, Hemingway is just an easy "Even dumb guys at least read this" example

not to mention all the crime fiction, horror, sci-fi, and fantasy

This part is important in understanding their meaning. They aren't being narrowly prescriptive, they're just pulling at recognizable examples.

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[-] Lussy@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I can just tell you that, personally, as a 33 cishet dude, my attention span is shot to shit and I can barely watch a whole ass movie or listen to a new song let alone añbum. If anythibg, my capapcity for reading a book, fictional or otherwise is far more in tact.

[-] iByteABit@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago

Absolutely.

This is what you get after decades of capitalist brainwashing, schools being defunded, worse and working to maximize profits instead of raising our future generations. Competition within the working class reaching an all time high and making people cannibalistic wage slaves that somehow still think they're gonna be the next Elon. Consumerism making people obsessed about their material possesions and looking richer that the rest. Capitalism has made art and culture an expensive commodity to be bought and sold instead of given to the people to enlighten them and make them think for themselves. No one reads anymore, their attention spans are hardwired for 10 second reels that mostly play CIA propaganda by default if it's politics related, e.g. the obsession with the Tiananmen "massacre" and a ton of memes about it giving the impression that it was historically brutal and definitely not something that the West has done in much worse ways. There are ton of examples about how "innocent funny memes" passively propagandise anyone that won't really sit and read about what happened. Cynicism and nihilism are extremely common, probably due to the realization deep down that we are not even remotely living in democracies and the world is steadily getting worse and there's not much you can do about it individually.

I'll say it again, how the fuck are we as communists supposed to radicalize the working class, when the working class refuses to think about anything on a deeper level that is outside of the given framework by the ruling class? How do you get someone to really understand something like Marxism, when they refuse to read anything longer than a maximum length Tweet?

It really bothers me to see how each generation is seemingly getting less and less able to conceptualize and analyze the system they're living under or pretty much anything for that matter, unless it's a science and they're getting paid to do so.

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[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago

Not in the age group, but I read a hell of a lot more at that age than I do in my 30s.

[-] Owl@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago

A lot of people in that age bracket are reading trashy web serials on RoyalRoad now.

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[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago

All the young groypers I see online are obsessed with Trump and Elon, I highly doubt they care about old heroes young men used to take up like sports stars and the like.

[-] featured@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago

No I’m in this age range and all my friends read at least to some degree. Some of us are very avid and occasionally do little book clubs

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