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submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by HarryLime@hexbear.net to c/askchapo@hexbear.net

Basically a repost pf things I said in the mega, but anecdotally I'm hearing that sales of fiction read by men are dropping precipitously, and English and literature classes in colleges are now dominated by women. It seems like young men are not being exposed to literature in the same way that they used to. Like, when I was in high school and college, you could be a "bro" kind of guy and read Chuck Palahniuk, or Hunter S. Thompson, or David Foster Wallace. For decades, authors like Hemmingway and Bukowski found receptive audiences in young men, not to mention all the crime fiction, horror, sci-fi, and fantasy that men have traditionally consumed. The "guy in your English class who loves David Foster Wallace" was a stereotype for a reason. I read in another thread that music is less culturally important to young men than it used to be. It seems like younger men just straight up see no value in reading literature or fiction, or exposing themselves or critically engaging with art and music, because the algorithms just railroad them into Alpha Gridset world.

Am I wrong about this? Am I being condescending and out of touch, or is this a real thing that's happening, where the whole "male" culture is turning into grindset podcasts and streamers?

Edit: Okay, so the impression I'm getting is that everything is worse but also kind of the same as it ever was, which sounds right.

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[-] 666@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago

Generally, from what I've seen; the biggest issue is not "the kids aren't reading hemingway!!!" because, actually, in my high-school; a good chunk of students were given the "classics" as assigned reading in English, as well as some other ones like Hatchet and such. Neighboring school districts had different ones, but same principle. This was city, as well; so I am not sure if the bougies cut out classics elsewhere or if the city I had just had a ton of donated books. People my age also just prefer to read more short-form content.

That is sort of a thing I notice though. Attention-spans are being fucking shot. This isn't even unique to Gen Z; I know boomers, X, etc who will sit on their phone and just scroll and scroll. Hell, I do it sometimes; how else do I get dank lefty memes?

A good chunk of people can retain their spans, I can still read Dune or watch a 3 hour video without losing attention. However, I worry more for children who are being handed a tablet as a form of "here kid, get outta my hair".

[-] IzyaKatzmann@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

Huh, I guess I'm really young but I always considered literature majority woman/femme presenting.

My guy friends that do read often read more helpful/confidence boosting works. Or they listen to audiobooks I suppose, both fiction and the helpful/confidence kind. By helpful I mean works like "The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck", or "Stolen Focus".

Most of my guy friends are technical or nerd types, not sure if that means anything.

[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Weird, I know I'm not that old, but 'literature' other than like, Bell Hooks, was a nerd dude thing, while pop fiction was feminized. I read both because I just love reading whatever.

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

Fuck I’m old, but to contribute something, my nephew joined the navy so anecdotally, no it’s not going great, not at all

[-] Thorngraff_Ironbeard@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

Newly minted 25 year old, In my circle of ~20 guys id say about 5 of them read fiction with any regularity myself included.

[-] StalinStan@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

I am out of that range. When I was in that ranged it was fucked. from what I can see they are still fucked. Less fucked than my generation, cause they have access to infinite learning which has bred empathy. Still little fucked. I think they will grow up to be alright

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 6 points 2 weeks ago

It's the damn video games!

[-] ikilledtheradiostar@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

We can looki inward or outward. Media consumption just facitates this for better or worse.

I feel like the medium is neither good or bad. If you want to connect with someone meet them where they're at.

[-] Blep@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago

All of my friends went to uni so its a biased sample, but id say about 80% of my masc friends read like actual literature. All of them have read various slop novels/manga, but they do engage with art, just less often.

[-] Yeat@hexbear.net 3 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah we’re fucked

[-] Porcupine@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

People who use the internet instead of books are fucking pathetic

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

Why are you on lemmy then lmao

Also there's lots of free books on the internet

I use the internet to get books, were do I fall in the pathetic spectrum (other then reading on my phone almost single-handedly taking me from 20/20 to 20/25)

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