All of this argues not only for Israeli strikes—which will surely come—but for vigorous American action as well.
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All of this argues not only for Israeli strikes—which will surely come—but for vigorous American action as well. Israel may well choose to attack economic targets, and in particular the oil industry that keeps Iran’s economy afloat. Attacks on the nuclear program—buried and dispersed at different sites—would probably be more difficult. In either case, Israel will need American help.
Israel has a large and capable air force, including nearly 40 F-35s. But it lacks a large fleet of aerial refueling planes, necessary for long-range strikes, which the United States has in plenty. At the very least, the United States can quietly help supply that deficit. The question is: Should it do more?
The answer is yes.
Holy fuck this is deranged bloodthirsty shit.
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Objective 1: Stay the fuck out of it.
Objective 2: Stay the fuck out of it.
Objective 3: Stay the fuck out of it.
Objective 4: Stay the fuck out of it.
US Government response: "unfortunately we weren't able to achieve any of our stated objectives. We promise we didn't try to at all. The following is unrelated I promise, but Congress is meeting to give Bibi $69420Ungabijillion for self defense and we're sending every troop, drone, and warship we have to Iran."
The fun problem with isolationism is it just allows problems to fester; then you have something much worse to deal with later. You may want to ignore the world, but the world won't ignore you.
Edit: An Iranian proxy has been shooting civilian shipping and civilian crews from all countries for the last year. There are problems one cannot simply ignore.
That's like poking a bear and then halfway through your shenanigans claim you'll have to put it down because you're in danger. What a bunch of hollow rhetoric. There's 3 sentences in your paragraph and each one is just a slogan. Each one vague enough that it means both nothing and anything you can think of.
Diverting from the usual warmongering is not isolationism, in fact, the problem you allude to is the result of the former, not the other way around.
I know it's a crazy idea but perhaps we should look at our failed approaches from recent history and try to learn from it. But judging from your edit, you have an extremely short attention span mixed with tunnel vision. Where were you when the US and its allies assassinated people inside Iran? Funded terrorist groups to carry out attacks in Iran? Sabotaged their nuclear facilities? Or, you know, when the idea of another pre-emptive attack on that nation was so imminent that one presidential candidate figured it'd be funny to fuel that by singing "bomb bomb Iran", based on nothing but the lie that they were close to getting a nuclear bomb?
Was all that a festering problem that Iran should've responded to, or is it different when you're on the receiving end?
An Iranian proxy has been shooting civilian shipping and civilian crews from all countries for the last year. There are problems one cannot simply ignore.
Hmm yes I wonder why the Houthis just suddenly decided to attack a global supply line
Did Israel try stopping their genocide.
Some problems are very easy to solve.
Just out of curiosity, how do you believe blockades are enforced?
What do you think happens(ed) to ships approaching Gaza BEFORE the war?
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This author has big Dr. Strangelove energy.
He can't seem to wait for another big war to start.
One of the more-hawkish takes I've read.
It's Eliot Cohen. That dude has been beating the drum for war with Iran for more than 20 years.
So he's not a fan of apartheid per se but just hates Iran and feels the victims of Iran's oppression of women - ie Persians - need to suffer for not taking state-orchestrated mass murder lying down?
One wonders what that guy is thinking sometimes.
The amount of comments in here treating real life like a game of Risk is honestly shocking and upsetting.
What do you all really think you would do differently if you were born in Gaza or Lebanon?
So umm, Iran's leadership won't stop nuclear weapons development. It can't stop. Therefore to stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons, it means that the US has to help remove Iran's leadership. Now why would this turn out any better than any of the previous times they've done this, including in Iran?
Their ability to make nukes has been delayed several times in the past, another delaying action is likely better than letting them get nukes.
Well, the Iranian youth would certainly love it if the current leadership were replaced with something a lot less hateful and a lot more secular.
They can absolutely stop; they just choose not to. And hamstringing their attempts to develop their nuclear program is a far better option than trying to topple their government in terms of maintaining stability in the region. Toppling the Iranian government would make every other Arab nation skittish and potentially be a rallying cry for them. Keeping their military options limited is far less incendiary.
Given what we've seen over the last little while, do you think Israel won't be able and willing to topple the regime if they don't have a lethal gun pointed towards Israel? There's pressure from the outside, and from the inside on them. They have to keep terrorising to maintain the internal pressure. They have to be able to stop Israel from taking them out as a result of their terrorising. I don't know if their current arsenal is a deterrent enough for that. If I were a supreme leader who wanted to stay in power, I'd be overturning mandatory prayer for the nuclear scientists and enginners working overtime to get to a test detonation (not over Israel) ASAP. As a supreme leader I feel like last year, perhaps even weeks ago, I did have the option to not make nukes. After the attacks in Lebanon that left my primary deterrent in an unknown state of degradation, I'm not feeling so lucky.
No one is forcing Iran’s dictators to remain dictators. They could become benevolent leaders or simply flee the nation. Israel gains relatively little from creating a power vacuum in Iran that will likely just be filled by another Israel-hating regime. They gain much more by destroying Ming the current regime’s ability to attack Israel.
Israel gains relatively little from creating a power vacuum in Iran that will likely just be filled by another Israel-hating regime.
Exactly.
They gain much more by destroying Ming the current regime’s ability to attack Israel.
Agreed. If this could be achieved without dragging the rest of us in an Iraq-like war. It might be possible but I don't trust the current Israeli leadership to act in a way that achieves it. Especially given their PM said straight up he's up to toppling the regime couple of days ago.
No one is forcing Iran’s dictators to remain dictators.
If that were possible, it would have likely happened already given how long this regime has stayed in power. It's also very unlikely that it's 5 guys in rags after so many decades, so even if they go crazy, the remainder would likely say fuck that and replace them. I think it's much more useful to look at people as automatons whose actions are driven by the systems they exist in, than to consider them as free actors.
The current editor of The Atlantic was a Zionist prison guard during the First Intifada. But don't worry, he says his friends describe him as very leftist.
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