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You reap what you sow.
Kinda fucked for the people that didnt sow, but yeah, the ones that did shall enjoy the reaping.
The people who actually sowed this are only going to reap a few extra weeks of complaining, "the poors are making the streets so ugly, why won't the police arrest them faster?"
Especially true for those rightwing religious nuts. Their book tells them Hosea 8:7: "For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind."
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Maybe running a political party off of hate wasn't such a good idea.
It's not about good ideas, it's about what works.
It's funny when the best way to defeat hateful right is to look at right-wing ideas without emotion and prejudice.
Find what makes them work to attract people and form parties. Find the most general subset of that you can coexist with. Incorporate it. Doesn't work? Look for remaining differences. And so on. Evolution. Survival of the fittest.
Not to ever be a Florida apologist in my entire life, but hating homeless people crosses party lines.
California dems jumped at taking away homeless camps. Not helping them, just destroying the camps. Claim victory, homeless move a few blocks over, or the next town over, without their stuff. It's like a South Park episode.
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oops!
It's only a bad idea if you give a shit about the populace.
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Man who tf goes around enforcing these laws after a disaster. Imagine some wack ass old white guy ticketing people outside of the FEMA medical station for loitering.
I can see you haven't interacted with many police in these areas. I wouldn't be surprised in the least by any of that behavior. The cops only protect and serve property, not people.
I never once expressed disbelief.
Margaret Killjoy did a 2 part podcast about relief efforts in Asheville, and she mentioned that one FEMA worker she spoke to told her one of the biggest hurdles to actually getting people help was the fact that a lot of local rescue and aid efforts are first and foremost run by police and the military (and other local first responders, but in the US police generally outnumber these by a hideous ratio).
The worker mentioned that the frustrations mostly come because community and mutual aid are inherently horizontal - you tell me you need food, I have food, I share food, no strings. Police and military are taught to desire hierarchy and structure and order, they want "these people need aid first and then these people and then these" rather than "EVERYONE needs aid, and if we offer it freely people generally won't take advantage", which is usually the case actually. I can definitely see police going "well I know all these people just don't have homes anymore, but if we stop enforcing this law society will break down entirely".
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Nah, it’ll be some 28 year old wannabe Punisher wearing Oakleys whose weekend activities include watching football and abusing his girlfriend.
This is why we need to ban hurricanes.
Nah, we gotta nuke the hurricanes.
It's a win-win. We destroy the hurricanes, and we also reduce our nuclear stockpile. I can see no flaws in this proposal. Checkmate, peaceniks!
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If you feel the urge to argue for collective punishment just shut the fuck up. Saying 'you reap what you sow' in this case is regressive and cruel. Fascists enacted this law undemocratically and many people, human beings that you should have empathy for, are effectively held captive by the GOP which has heavily gerrymandered Florida and engaged in voter suppression and disenfranchisement. Think critically for a second and direct your criticism at the right people.
Literally the post above this one in my feed.
This is exactly the problem with running on "fuck you, got mine". Side A bans homelessness. Side A ends up homeless somehow. Side B, because they aren't running on hate, has sympathy for the circumstances Side A (and B) have found themselves in and helps. Side A faces no consequences ever (hyperbole). Side A doubles down on banning homelessness.
I'm not trying to argue against what you're saying but fuck does this system suck.
Nope. Just nope. You don't get the "fascists did it" thing when urban camping bans are being passed all over the country in red and blue cities, counties, and states.
Homelessness isn't a conservative wedge issue. It's the one class both parties have deemed it okay to abuse and systemically imprison or kill. And now that we have two large examples of people being made homeless through no fault of their own, you want to disavow it and say it's just the far right?
Fuck no. You take that shame and you sit in it and next time you make it an issue to not support council members, mayors, and state officials who support criminalizing the homeless.
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Empathy is for individuals. If someone came to me, maga hat, and truck covered in trump Humber stickers, and said him and his daughter had been displaced by the hurricane and needed help, I would give them a room, food and whatever else I could to help and ask for nothing in return. He has not hurt me (directly) and I have no bad blood with him personally so long as he's not being outright racist or anything around me.
But when we're talking about MAGA as a general group, they have hurt me, they are racist and homophobic and trnasphobic and misogynistic and I will happily revel in the Schadenfreude.
If see a nazi sitting at a table and 10 people are at the table talking to them, you have a table with 11 nazis.
There is no tolerance for intolerance.
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Yup. I will, however, feel less empathy for the people who did vote for these policies
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That’s a shame. Thoughts and prayers.
While the law includes exceptions during emergencies like major storms, those protections end when the hurricane order is no longer in place.
The article never explains the title.
I mean, I think it does. A hurricane order expires shortly after the storm is over. It can take months for new shelter to be provided for those that lose their homes. Some people might prefer just to live out of their RV or a tent or whatever to save money while new living arrangements are figured out.
Ya because people can just pick up the shattered pieces of their lives on the governments timeline. They'll remove the hurricane order way too soon resulting in additional people being imprisoned or removed from their "homes" and their land will be sold off to a golf course or oil company.
You know what this reminds me of? There was some cheap ass webcomic in the very early 2000s that had an Amish protagonist. I only remember a single comic where the main character is watching TV and has some pundit say that poor and homeless should be shot. Then our Amish hero sets the pundit's house on fire rendering him homeless.
The pundit declares himself poor without his house and is promptly shot by his own followers because they made good his beliefs on shooting the poor and homeless. It was actually kinda funny.
But that being said, it amazes me just how often people forget the lessons of the past. The great depression seriously changed America's views on poverty being an entirely individual failing for many, many decades. Even into the Nixon administration he had to remind everyone that he was a New Dealer and wasn't going to roll back any of that shit. They had to wait until baby boomers, who did not grow up in the depression and were the ungrateful beneficiaries of the numerous programs in its wake, were the main voting block before beginning to roll that shit back.
It's also kinda incredible just how the libertarian and conservative propaganda apparatus really nullified most criticism of this shit. While that was always case even back in the 1930s, it was never to this extent.
Remains me of when Spawn put the Leader of the KKK in Black face and they lynched him.
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Sounds like a lot of people in Florida are about to become homeless too.... I dunno, I say they completely, 100% enforce the laws right now. You didn't fight against this bullshit because it "doesn't affect me"? Well now it can affect you. Ticket everyone. Waste everyone's time. It was so important to do this, then fucking do it. Be the fucking clowns you are. Ticket people who lost their home, who are camping in their front yard. What, they're having a bad time right now and we should be generous? That's homeless people all the time.
Suspending the law because it's a weather emergency is bullshit. It's being suspended because it might affect voters. Just trying to cover their own ass when they need it and shafting anyone else when it's convenient.
ITT a whole lot of people talking shit while their local governments are doing the exact same thing. This is a map from 2015. It's only gotten worse since then.
If what's happening in Florida disgusts you then check your own laws first.
It’s not a political thing, it’s an urban vs. rural thing. Cities tend to have more robust services for the homeless, so naturally homeless people wind up gravitating there.
They’ll find a way to suspend the law so it doesn’t affect victims of the hurricanes and then reinstitute them again later.
No, it's cities. Many cities have their own ordinances that clear out homeless encampments. Rural folk didn't institute those ordinances.
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California: "First time?"
https://theintercept.com/2021/05/07/california-fires-chico-housing-real-estate/
Well that's a problem somebody could've seen coming, and probably did, and were probably told to shut the hell up.
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