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After adjusting for inflation, wages are higher than at any point in U.S. history, and after adjusting for age and sex, the percentage of the population that is employed is around its peak in U.S. history.

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[-] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 26 points 6 hours ago

Yeah... This is an intentionally misleading study by a neoliberal think-tank that takes money from major anti-union corpos, the MIC, and investment bankers. Trying to sweep half a century of workers losing out behind fudged numbers to make it seem like wealth and income inequality, not to mention unfettered price-gouging isn't the problem that reality says it is.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 14 points 7 hours ago

Employment isn't at an all time high - unemployment is pretty low... but a lot of non-working adults or underemployed adults don't count as unemployed. A significant chunk of the population has just given up on trying to find a job.

[-] owenfromcanada@lemmy.world 21 points 8 hours ago

According to the BLS, the median wage (as of May 2023) is $23.11. At a 40 hour work week, 50 weeks per year, that's a $46,110 annual wage.

Median rent for a 2 bedroom apartment (as of Nov 2023 is $1,904. That's $22,848 annually.

So rent is 22,848/46,110 = 49.6% of income. Traditionally, this would be closer to 30%.

Wealth inequality is the highest it's ever been. While I admire your optimism, the situation isn't that great for the majority.

[-] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 32 points 9 hours ago

So workers have caught back up to 1972. Hooray!

Too bad housing costs more than double now. Even after adjusting both to inflation $30/hr doesn't cut it in the housing market now.

https://inflationdata.com/articles/inflation-adjusted-prices/inflation-adjusted-housing-prices/

[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 23 points 10 hours ago

Looking carefully at figure 5A, it's not as great as they want it to be. Even if the adjusted average wages have finally recovered after decades of low points, look at the rate before the drop and the rate leading up to now. And I will always question using just hourly wage as an indicator of how things are going when the first thing that happens when things tighten up is hours are cut. Still employed, still making X/hour, but net income is way down. Things are great. Sure. Then there's the specter of underemployment, and working multiple jobs to make up for low income, probably due to not enough hours from the first job. But that wage number is great, right?

[-] ganymede@lemmy.ml 30 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Glad to see they've adjusted for inflation, have they also adjusted for cost of living?

Edit: For anyone (such as OP) who is confused by these terms:

The difference between inflation and cost of living.

[-] Linktank@lemmy.today 22 points 10 hours ago

Very obviously not. This article is bullshit from head to toe.

[-] BertramDitore@lemm.ee 39 points 11 hours ago

This is great, and the economy is clearly way better than many of us feel in our wallets.

My problem with this framing is that the job market is just different today than it was a few years ago. In order to get paid what you’re worth, you basically have to be on the job market permanently. If you don’t hop from one job to the next, your wages will quickly stagnate. I like my job, and I get very small raises every year or two. My salary is reasonable, but not great, and the raises are usually 1-3%, barely inflationary. I know I could get way more if I put myself back in the market, but I don’t want to do that, because like I said, I like my job and have been there for 5 years. I don’t want to have to be a hustler to be paid what I’m worth, I want to be loyal to a company that pays me fairly. I probably need to get over this antiquated way of thinking, but just considering going back to selling myself on the job market gives me heartburn.

[-] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 17 points 11 hours ago

Don't know who you work for, but it is a safe bet loyalty is foolish. You are at high risk for being dumped for little to no reason as soon as you become too costly. 1-3% raises are honestly shit and isn't rewarding for increased experience/performance at all. Any company that barely (in fact since Covid 1-3% is not even) keeps up with inflation is flat out taking advantage of your apathy.

[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 12 points 10 hours ago

At that percentage, you are losing money every year. Ask them for more since you are worth as much, and if they refuse, then your loyalty isn't being rewarded or even acknowledged.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 18 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

While there are multiple ways to measure employment, the best single measure is the percentage of the adult population with a job, known as the employment-to-population ratio (EPOP). However, with a growing portion of the adult population becoming retirees, this measure is confounded by demographic trends over longer time periods. Many economists therefore focus on “prime-age EPOP,” or the percentage of people ages 25–54 with a job, as a way to account for the aging of the population. A more sophisticated method is to adjust for both age and sex. Adjusting for age accounts not only for the increase in retirees but also the aging within the 25–54 bracket. Adjusting for sex is necessary to analyze previous decades, when a much smaller percentage of working-age women were in the workforce. After adjusting for age and sex, the percentage of the population that is working is roughly at its peak height in U.S. history. This is also true if one looks directly at prime-age EPOP.

If we stop using the metric we always used, and invent a new one that says things are great, then things are great!

What else do you need expect from a Podesta organization that claims to be progressive?

The whole point of it is to convince people neoliberals are just as effective as progressives could be.

That's why it's funded by billionaires and opposed healthcare reform and other things billionaires don't want.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_American_Progress

Just like with rightwing "think tanks" don't just pay attention to the name or blindly believe what someone has chosen for a label.

[-] Tyrangle@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago

I do find it interesting that the "actual" employment rate was 7% higher in 2000 than it is now. I get that we have an older population now, and proportionally more retirees as a result, but isn't that relevant to our economic health? Rather than patting ourselves on the back for doing a good job despite an aging population, shouldn't we be talking about how to turn this trend around? Italy, Japan, and China are about a generation ahead of us on this issue, and they're totally freaking out - maybe we should too.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago

Yeah, the truth is it's not that hard to find the right boxes to check as metrics that you can find any result you want.

Which is obviously what they did, they couldn't even stop it with a 54 age cap (who the fuck retires at 55?) they had to raise the minimum to 25, well after normal college grad age.

Even without getting into the organization and funding, anyone that actually learned about stats in a real stats class can you tell you it's being done to generate the results the funders want.

We really need to start teaching statistical analysis in highschool. I can't remember the last time I needed something past algebra, but stats comes up all the fucking time, and almost no one really knows the basics.

It's not even that complicated, but admittedly I had an amazing professor and took a couple courses.

[-] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 5 points 9 hours ago

A more educated populace is the last thing anyone at the top of the ladder wants.

We're backsliding to Company Stores, chits, and union workers facing violence for their workplace rights. "Corporate interests" have undone the social contract.

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