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Can Puerto Ricans vote as expats? (discuss.tchncs.de)
submitted 2 weeks ago by Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml
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I've heard that the reason Puerto Ricans can't vote is because Puerto Rico isn't a state and it is states that choose the president, not voters. But what about expats living abroad? Do they just get to pick which state gets their vote? If so, couldn't Puerto Ricans do that too?And what about people in DC? Where do their electoral college votes come from?

I'm sure I'm missing something here, I'm just not sure what.

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 55 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Puerto Rico ≠ Puerto Ricans

Puerto Rico doesn't get to vote. So anyone who is a registered resident of Puerto Rico, regardless of birth location, does not get to vote in federal elections. Full stop.

Puerto Ricans are US citizens with all the rights and privileges that go with that. They can vote in federal elections as long as they are not a registered resident of Puerto Rico. So if someone is born in Puerto Rico, moves to Florida and declares that their place of residence, then moves to Paris, France. They can vote via absentee ballot.

TL;DR: Puerto Ricans, yes. Puerto Rico, no.

[–] rando895@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So Puerto Rico is just another US colony then?

[–] Vanth@reddthat.com 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

just

It's not simple. The history, government, and politics sections of the Wikipedia article on Puerto Rico is a great place to start.

[–] rando895@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Basically the article says they don't pay taxes, don't have full protection under the US Constitution, have to obey US laws and are subject to the powers of the US Congress and President, have no voting rights, are subject to the draft, considered US citizens, etc.

So that basically sounds like a colony.

[–] Vanth@reddthat.com 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I think many people would agree with you. Not all.

Personally, I do think Puerto Rico is basically a colony in all but name. But I know people living in Puerto Rico now who disagree. And I tend to defer to the people actually living in The Place when it comes to discussions like this.

The Wikipedia article on the Puerto Rico statehood movement might also be interesting to you if you didn't find it yourself already. Puerto Rico has had several referendums in recent years, on one of them:

the fourth referendum, held in November 2012, asked voters (1) whether they wanted to maintain the current political status of Puerto Rico and, if not, (2) which alternative status they prefer. Of the fifty-four percent (54.0%) who voted "No" on maintaining the status quo, 61.11% chose statehood, 33.34% chose free association, and 5.55% chose independence

[–] Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So this is where I'm confused because if I (an American citizen and resident) move to Japan, I can still vote. If I move to Puerto Rico, does that mean I can no longer vote?

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The key is where in the US are you a registered resident before you move to Japan. Please don't forget that Puerto Rico is not a foreign country. Puerto Rico is still the United States. So if you are a resident of Florida before going to Japan, you can vote. If you are a resident of Puerto Rico, you cannot. That residence status applies to all US citizens. Residence in Puerto Rico eliminates your right to vote in US federal elections.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 weeks ago

Colonialism is such a beautiful and logical thing. /s

[–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 41 points 2 weeks ago

Immigrants who have left the USA vote in the last state they were registered in.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

DC gets 3 electoral votes. PR gets none. But, Puerto Ricans are Americans, and can move to any state they like and register to vote there. But they do have to establish residency in that state. If they then leave the country and vote by mail, their votes would count in the state where they established residency.

So someone living in PR who moved to PA, established residency there, and then went home could request an absentee ballot, but I don't know how long they could live outside the state and still be registered there.

[–] Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I know someone who has been living abroad for 25+ years and he still votes in every election. I'm not sure if there is a time limit, but it seems to be long if there is.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

But probably last lived in a state. Something which PR is not.

US Territories - Last Week Tonight with John Oliver

[–] kobra@lemm.ee 26 points 2 weeks ago

They would have to establish residency in one of the states before moving abroad.

[–] techwooded@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Don’t forget that these restrictions also apply to the Americans living in Guam, American Samoa, and the US Virgin Islands, as they all have the same status as Puerto Rico. It’s interesting too because citizens of the 50 states can vote absentee from other countries, and American Astronauts have voted from space. That would make Puerto Rico, Guam, US Virgin Islands, and American Samoa the only places in the universe an American can’t vote for President

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago

Don’t forget that these restrictions also apply to the Americans living in Guam, American Samoa...

You're going to hate this. People from American Samoa are not US citizens.

https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-a-chapter-2

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 8 points 2 weeks ago

That would make Puerto Rico, Guam, US Virgin Islands, and American Samoa the only places in the universe an American can’t vote for President

An American who is registered to vote in a state can vote from Puerto Rico, Guam, the US Virgin Islands or American Samoa just like an American who is registered to vote in a state can do so from another country, or from space. An American who is not registered to vote in a state cannot vote from anywhere, regardless of where that is.

[–] Sumocat@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

No, it applies to Americans voting in the territory’s election. Americans from States can vote absentee on their States’ ballots while living in U.S. Territories. A sailor from a State deployed to Guam can vote in the election of their State. But anyone voting in Guam’s election doesn’t have an option to vote for president.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago

You can vote from overseas in whatever location was your last permanent US residence.
People in DC get to vote for president because a special law was passed giving them electoral votes.

People in Puerto Rico have a US permeant residence that doesn't let them vote for president, so they can't legally vote from a different jurisdiction.
One of the proposals that's come up occasionally is to make a similar law for Puerto Rico as we did for DC, but there's never enough consensus on any plan to go forward, up until relatively recently.

[–] EABOD25@lemm.ee 5 points 2 weeks ago

You would have to live in a state (Hawaii included) long enough to be in resident status, then they can register to vote

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net -3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If I, say, moved from PR to DC and registered as a voter there, I could vote as an overseas Amerikkkan. I think

[–] Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 weeks ago

It would make more sense to move to Ohio or Pennsylvania to try to swing them back to Blue.