When the cartoonist tries to pass the Bechdel test without ever speaking to a woman in his life
this post was submitted on 02 Nov 2024
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The test asks whether a work features at least two female characters who have a conversation about something other than a man. Some versions of the test also require that those two female characters have names.
Two female characters. Not talking about men. Both have names.
Yes! Correct! This does in fact pass the Bechdel test, while still being deeply misogynistic. Thank you for explaining my joke.
Why is it deeply misogynistic?
Let me answer your question with a question: what do you think is the intended joke/humor of this comic?
It's a stereotype about women complimenting eachother while not actually meaning it. It's a joke. Look at the upvote / downvote ratio. Most people get it. You're in the minority here being offended by it. Recreational outrage so to speak.
I love that you're asking how it's misogynistic and literally your next words are that it's a stereotype about women.
"it's a joke." really? from what, 4th century CE?
and stop this bullshit about being offended.
people can call out misogyny, or any kind of bigotry without being offended. not that being offended is a bad thing when something is offensive to begin with. though to me it's not "offensive" so much as it is incredibly hack. what I find offensive is pretending that this is in any way funny.
also being in the minority or majority does not have any bearing to the legitimacy of your arguments. and it's not most people who get it, it's literally everyone. there's nothing to "get". this is one of the oldest jokes in history. update your sense of humor.
people can call out misogyny
@pyre ,
Why can't you just look at two women in a comic and not extrapolate and believe that what is depicted applies to the entire gender, to the entire 4 billion+ women on the Earth? The comic and its joke exists because that type of scenario has happened.
Psychology Today: Why Do Women Act Catty?
Why Do Women Bully Each Other at Work?
The Bitch At Work: How To Out-Smart The Mean Girls In The Office
11 Reasons Why Women Don’t Get Along With Other Women <---written by a woman
Women are not always nice to each other. That is the joke in the comic.
It's more misogynistic to assume that a depiction of one scenario applies to the entire gender than to just understand that is is a joke calling out a specific behavior.
Hey buddy, I think you're projecting quite a bit here. I made a Bechdel test joke, and you got "recreationally offended" over it. Have a sense of humor man! It's just a joke!
You still haven't explained what's deeply misogynistic about this cartoon. Or was that a joke too?
Was @pyre@lemmy.world's comment not sufficient in this regard? If this is your first time getting misogyny defined for you, I think you need to branch out from Joe Rogan and try some media with women's voices as a focus.
Since you need your hand held here, this is my perspective: this comic's humor is just perpetuating a common, incorrect stereotype that women act nice to each other but actually hate each other. The punchline is secretly "women be bitches am I right?" and I believe this because if you swapped either or both of the characters in the comic out for men, it would no longer work as a joke.
Now funnily enough, I didn't make my Bechdel test joke for the purpose of starting a debate with dudebros online. I'm sure you'll find something in this comment to pick apart and continue sealioning, so here is your notice that I will not be replying further. Good luck on your journey of learning about feminism!
That user is on my blocklist so I haven't seen their comment and I was asking you anyway.
incorrect stereotype
I'd argue it's not, in fact, incorrect. Sure you can say it is but that doesn't really prove anything. Stereotypes stem from reality.
if you swapped either or both of the characters in the comic out for men, it would no longer work as a joke.
Ofcourse it wouldn't. It's a stereotype about women. If you made the same joke about men it wouldn't be funny because it would be completely made up. Equivalent joke about men would be two guys being nasty and talking shit to eachother but neither actually meaning it.
oh my god talk to human beings outside of your screen
Because women are not nearly that bitchy to each other after like 7th grade.
The women in the cartoon are not being bitchy to eachother either, are they?
The commenter likely means two-faced.
Not all women, no, but some definitely are. Stereotypes come from reality. While they don't apply to every individual, it does apply on a group level especially when compared to other groups. If this was completely made up nobody would find it funny. People find it funny because there's a kernel of truth there. It's not misogynistic to aknowledge that women as a group act differently to men.
Women compliment each other far more than men do. IIRC this has been researched. Men live in a compliment-deprived world, probably due to toxic masculinity. Women don't, but the assumption that their compliments are all or mostly insincere, which this comic does, is kind of incely.
Thr whole comic seems like a man's take, and probably not a very accurate one.
the assumption that their compliments are all or mostly insincere
I disagree that this is being claimed here. Stereotypes don't imply that everyone, or almost everyone in that group is like that.
Erase the last thought bubble and replace it with "It was nice to run into her, she's so sweet," and you'll have something a bit more realistic and less incel-y lmao.
Women do actually like each other 🙄
True
But that would make for a horrible story though.
Women! Amirite, guys?
Susan B. Shoppin'
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Right, anyway... I do like the fellow women I stumble upon on this site. I wish you gals all a lovely upcoming week!
You too, always good to start it off right with some good ol Lemmy hot takes on women.
HAHHA WOMEN BE SHOPPING AMIRITE
I don't get it. Why start that conversation with the person to begin with if you don't like them?