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The people in cities and in blue states made this economic turn around happen. Trump does not deserve the credit he will claim. Burn it down.

Edit: If you leave this thread learning anything please let it be this one thing. Organic political movement isn't schemed up in a board room or carefully planned and executed every step of the way. It starts inside of you and people like you and you lend your support not knowing the outcome but believing in the cause. If it's not here, it's not here. I don't mean to supply you with fuel needed but only the spark to ignite flame waiting to be ignited.

I'm out though.

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[–] Myxomatosis@lemmy.world 77 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (14 children)

My plan is to stop participating in the economy as much as I can. Only the basic necessities now. The fun times are over. Let’s help crash the Trump economy.

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 36 points 5 days ago (1 children)

a lot of us have been 'existing' on 'only the basic necessities' for years

[–] Myxomatosis@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That’s true. I guess I sounded privileged there.

Maybe to some, but that doesn't minimize your stake in anything. We're all in this together.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 29 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] Myxomatosis@lemmy.world 36 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

I would join one if it happens. I feel like one of the best ways to strike is just to stop buying shit. The economy thrives on American excess and consumption.

[–] SonicDeathTaco@lemm.ee 13 points 5 days ago (3 children)

A consumption strike is still a strike, and honestly could be more effective than a traditional strike.

The US economy is essentially completely reliant on consumption at this point, it's the place where we have the most leverage.

It's also very easy for an authoritarian regime that is inbound by law to retaliate against traditional strikers. It's much harder to force us to consume.

It also doesn't have to be zero consumption, by loca, but used, use cash, barter, and trade.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 9 points 5 days ago

We need to heavily reduce consumption anyway. Remember the three Rs? Reduce, Reuse, Recycle. The first two quickly got dropped, recycling took off for a while as it was the more profitable and easiest to shift blame onto the consumer while maintaining consumption. Then we all learned very little could be or was being recycled, it was just being dumped elsewhere. Excess buying is one thing totally under our control. Maybe a better society can also come out of it.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

This is probably the only way a general strike in the U.S. would ever work. Employers are draconian, and nobody wants to be the first to risk their neck at their workplace for a normal strike.

The problem is organization, and keeping everybody to it for more than just a few days.

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[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

So you think people are going to pass on the last Christmas of We The People of the United States of America? You’re not wrong in your method but it’s like trying to get your workplace to unionize when they’re running on inertia, fear, and conflict avoidance.

Most people you know are conflict avoidant, sadly.

[–] Myxomatosis@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Oh I know it. Americans as a whole are selfish, spoiled and cowardly. Guess they have to learn the hard way.

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And it thrives on our LABOR

[–] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Everyone should save as much money as they can and probably not play the stock market. I have a feeling 401k's are going to take a gigantic shit.

I have no idea what's going to happen. I hope none of this happens. it's just a very pessimistic gut feeling.

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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 60 points 5 days ago (7 children)

There's no need.

Really.

If Trump does what he says he was going to do-and I don't doubt he will--then the economy will crash on its own.

Tariffs will raise prices, and will drive inflation. Why will tariffs raise prices? Because the people selling will just add the price of the tariff to the goods sold. And unless the tariffs are the result of a new law, any incoming president can cancel them. That means that it would be a very risky environment to try and build domestic production in. The place I work for uses aluminum extrusion; we get it from a domestic supplier, and they get all their raw aluminum stock from China. When tariffs were enacted on Chinese aluminum, our supplier passed the cost on to us, and we had to raise our prices to account for our increased costs. So our customers had to pay more to get exactly the same product.

Deporting all of the undocumented immigrants will mean that we'll suddenly have lots of jobs not getting done; most produce is picked by undocumented immigrants, a ton of general construction is done by undocumented immigrants, most meat-packing plants are full of undocumented immigrants laborers. We'll suddenly be a negative unemployment; there won't be enough workers in the workforce to fill demand. That means wages will have to rise, which will drive inflation, and housing costs will rise sharply because new construction will be so expensive with undocumented immigrants. One of the people I work with is undocumented; if he gets deported, then we're up shit creek, because no one else can do his job as efficiently as he can, if anyone can do it at all (yay, lean manufacturing...).

I would place a financial bet on the economy crashing if Trump actually does what he says he will.

[–] valaramech@fedia.io 32 points 5 days ago

My expectation is that the "mass deportations" will quickly morph into "mass incarceration" will quickly morph into an enslaved workforce.

There will probably be one wave of deportations just to "show we mean business" or something and then the news will move onto the next distraction while the remaining undocumented immigrants are quietly sent back off to do the jobs they were doing only now the business don't have to pay them.

[–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 18 points 5 days ago

Brexit was supposed to make farm workers' wages higher. The EU workers left, and crops rotted on the fields, because Brits didn't want those jobs, no matter what wages the farmers were offering. So they had to tell the EU workers they were welcome again and introduce special visas to lure them back.

[–] whyrat@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There's been a recession start in every single republican presidential term of my life. I'm over 40. Each of Reagan's terms. HW Bush. Each of the second Bush (these were the worst, dot-com crash and the great recession starting in 2007/8). And then the great Covid bungling. As you point out: if they implement their agenda it's likely to happen again.

There has never been a recession start during a democratic president in my lifetime (although Biden's term came close).

The opposition needs to be ready to jump on this and yell from the figurative rooftops so conservatives can't spin it away. And it needs to be most heavily broadcast where the electorate shifted to the right this election. The fact that people generally think republicans are better for the economy is a severe failure on the part of the democrats.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Something I just thought of today...

Industry has been outsourcing for more than 40 years now. Manufacturing has been gutted in the US, and that's wrecked labor. With the loss of the power of organized labor, money has flowed up from the workers to the executives. We've seen labor unions making big gains under Biden, but there simply aren't enough people covered by unions in the US to reverse this trend. Right now we have a smallish-number of higher-paid information workers, a somewhat larger number of people in manufacturing, and a LOT of people in service-sector jobs that aren't organized, or can't effectively organize. An economy built largely around large numbers of low-wage service-sector jobs, with a small number of higher paid information workers just isn't sustainable.

Tariffs that went on long enough would force manufacturing to be done in the US. And wages would have to rise, because if the workers can't afford the products they make, then an economy collapses completely (unless you are exporting a lot). Yeah, it would be super-rough until factories were back in the US, maybe 10+ years. But our thirst for more and cheaper plastic shit from Asia is gonna be the death of us. (...That is, if climate change doesn't do it first.) In that respect, Trump is kind of right, but the tariffs are probably going to be so harmful in the short run that people will reject any attempts to restructure the economy. I don't think that Trump is principled in this at all; I think that it's populist, and he's a broken clock on this issue.

[–] whyrat@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Tariffs that went on long enough would force manufacturing to be done in the US. And wages would have to rise

When the tariff is on final consumer products, these are two opposing forces. Higher wages mean companies would more likely save money by paying the tariffs. Higher tariffs mean companies are more likely to purchase domestically.

But if the tariffs are on precursor products (e.g. steel, lumber, oil, etc ...) rather than final consumer goods: the tariffs make it more expensive for domestic manufacturing. The US manufacturer has to pay the tariffs to use the materials they need to produce their final product, and have to pass those costs on. That means there's less margin for wages.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

Yes, definitely. It also forces the US to exploit more natural resources (which I oppose, since I like having forests and mountains). Things like 100% tariffs on electric cars or computer chips made in China would help the US catch up. Tariffs on lithium--I don't think we have significant lithium deposits in the US--would just sharply raise prices. Tariffs on finished goods that are high enough make it cheaper to produce in the US.

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 18 points 5 days ago

Wages rising? Not if they can help it. Other people mentioned prison labor. But they're overlooking child labor, which is already being brought back in multiple states. Throw in some pretty weakly disguised slave labor in the form of company stores, and there's no reason to pay actual workers what they're worth.

[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I doubt Trump is going to care enough to keep his promises. He ran to avoid jail and for the ego trip from winning - he got both, so he's gonna coast and do whatever his handlers tell him just so long as they let him take full credit for anything positive.

They will tell him to do things that will benefit them by removing the guardrails on the economy so they can exploit the hell out of it in record time. As such, it'll initially look good before it burns itself out, by which time most of his term will be up anyway. By that time he'll have gotten his sycophants to ensure he is fully immune to prosecution, along with a more fully stacked Supreme Court to ensure it stays that way.

Need proof? How much has Mexico paid into the border wall, eh? Plenty of other unfulfilled promises from the first time around to point at, if you need more.

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

See, the issue is that most of Trump's policies didn't come from him in 2016 - he went out and hung out with dictators and played golf and held rallies while his Cabinet did almost all of the heavy lifting. Remember that several of his staffers said they couldn't get him to pay attention to important things like briefings unless they had something positive ABOUT HIM PERSONALLY every two sentences.

That's how a lot of this shit is gonna get done - dozens of Yes Men all implementing whatever part of The Plan they're supposed to implement from their appointed office, so Trump doesn't take the heat for it.

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[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Hey, wages rising would at least be nice.

...not going to happen though, more likely to see an increase in prison labour

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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 5 days ago (1 children)

GENERAL STRIKE JAN 6

The voices of the workers will echo throughout the entire globe. Find a local left wing organization, organize, and when the day comes we fight like hell.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Jan 20. If we do Jan 6th, those who can't hold out will go back to work 2 weeks later, and Trump will get credit for ending Biden's strike.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Jan 6 for those who can hold out and Jan 20 for those who cant

[–] tomalley8342@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It did not even take 5 posts for this global general strike to be split up into two huh 😅

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[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 28 points 5 days ago (1 children)

General strike on January 6th?

Yup, its time for a general strike. Spread the word to all

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago (2 children)

You won't even have to do anything, the Tariffs will.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 8 points 5 days ago

And the loss of labor in the agricultural, construction, food service, and hospitality industries.

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[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago

Why strike when you can unionize?

Start building small unions for blue collar roles that focus primarily on employment protection, rather than pushing salaries high. From there, as the cost of living increases, push for a percentage increase that aligns, and strike fully if those demands aren't met.

If Trump wants to block migration, then forming unions would be the defining legacy of a Trump administration. He can't go for cheap foreign labour, and he can't remove domestic...

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Let's do it. Start the plans. Make the sticky posts. I'm about it. Just tell me what I need to do.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (9 children)

That's the beauty, you do nothing. Jk, no it starts with spreading the word but also ensure every one you tell that you have them. We need to come together and it will cost. Let them know we are in it together.

List of demands:

1 Biden expand the supreme court unopposed.

2 Federal legislation enshrining abortion rights, gay marriage, and decriminilizing Marijuana.

3 Legislation to expand Medicare and make it single payer.

60 million can't beat trump at the ballot box but they can beat anyone who dare try to oppress them.

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[–] whithom@discuss.online 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Woo woo housing market is gonna craaaaaassshhhhh… just in time for me to leave the country to avoid persecution. Crap.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

There is no greater strike then completely removing yourself from this nation. If you voted blue you were 10x the economic power any red state has ever offered.

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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

But their whole plan is to have the economy fail, then transfer wealth to themselves:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/elon-musk-economy-trump-hardship-b2637850.html

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (14 children)

A general strike will take a lot of planning. I'd estimate that an intense organizing campaign over the span of a year could make it happen, if all the organizers are willing to set aside most of their personal life for that time. Add an additional year if the organizing committee cannot make that commitment. If we start the planning now, it could grind the Trump economy to a total halt in q4 2026, peak profit for most companies.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It doesn’t work unless you can cover the costs of all the many people living paycheck to paycheck.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Yes, precisely. That's what all the planning is needed for.

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[–] bluejay@lemm.ee 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Bullshit like this always pisses me off. You look at the comments, no plan, no organization nothing but more pretty words. Keyboard jockey neo-liberals.

If you want to "resist", go outside and organize with existing groups and participate. Don't just talk about how cool it would be if we "stuck it to the man" and leave it there. Just saying "we should strike" doesn't mean a fucking thing. Lots of people, myself included, can't afford to strike. I could lose my job, then my home. Get real dude. Don't just make half assed posts without any plans or actionable steps to jerk yourself off.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Bullshit like this is the exact reason we fail each other every fucking day. I'm asking you to lift others up and all you can do is put me down. I'm not special but I'm 10x more then you'll ever be.

[–] bluejay@lemm.ee 7 points 5 days ago

Then do something. Get off your keyboard and do something. Prove me wrong. Please, I want you to. But you won't.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

We're primed for a leftist version of the Tea Party. A Guillotine party.

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