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[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 52 points 2 years ago (1 children)

OP will be real dangerous when he learns fish also don't ask for consent.

[–] pazukaza@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago

They don't? I've been wasting my time.

[–] Pagliacci@lemmy.ml 45 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Agreed, if a bear can eat a person why can't I eat a person?!

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[–] artaxthehappyhorse@lemmy.ml 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)

By this logic, is it fair game to eat people who eat animals?

[–] do_not_pm_me@thelemmy.club 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Only humans that eat other humans.

[–] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Why can't i eat humans who are "OH YEAH ya'll dawg i shot A BEAR YEAH!!" and then didn't eat it?

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[–] MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Something needs to die for you to survive, what and how much is up to your individual tolerance for input/output ratio.

Death and suffering is a natural state of being in nature. I can reduce it, but I still need to survive.

I hate fishing. I don't need to fish in my current station. If I did, I would fish.

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 43 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Exactly. Pretty common misconception about vegan ideology. Vegans don't think people in developing nations have a moral imperative to change their ways because they don't have an alternative.

I don't need to eat meat, so I don't.

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[–] SQL_InjectMe@partizle.com 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yup that’s why I still buy clothes from sweatshops with kids working in them.

In all seriousness you’re right, but I believe people have a much lower tolerance than they think they do, but they just avoid thinking about it

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[–] BachenBenno@feddit.de 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The difference is that the fish needs to eat the other fish. We don't need ANY animal products. So every killed animal suffered and lost their life for 10min of taste for us that we didn't need. Being vegan is so easy in 2023.

[–] notenoughbutter@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago (36 children)

taste

what about vitamins? proteins and other nutrients

like omega 3 fatty acid majorly found in fishes

[–] agoseris@lemm.ee 34 points 2 years ago (8 children)

There are plenty of plant sources of Omega 3. Flax seeds, walnuts, soybeans, and canola oil all have decent amounts of omega 3 in them. As for protein, legumes generally have a bunch.

Really, the only thing a vegan needs to supplement is B12, but even that gets added to a bunch of stuff like breakfast cereals and plant milks if you consume those.

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[–] Azathoth@feddit.de 11 points 2 years ago (11 children)

You can take them as supplements. It's the same for your body. Oh and you are already doing that, because they give supplements to the animals they raise and kill, we are just eliminating the middleman.

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[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You consider humans superior in intellect and ability compared to all other animals yet can't grasp the fact that some humans have chosen to use said superior intellect and ability to avoid killing other animals?

[–] s_s@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You consider humans superior in intellect and ability compared to all other animals

Does he?

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Isn't that usually the argument that anti-vegans use? That we're the top predator due to our intelligence and technology and therefore we have an intrinsic right to the lives of other animals?

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[–] HaleEndGrad@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Fish eating fish doesn't lead to ecological disturbance. Humans have put multiple species on the verge of extinction.

[–] 4ce@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago (4 children)
[–] wurosh@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hold on, the link you posted says 10 to 100 times more than the natural background extinction rate. That's very far from "any of the previous mass extinctions in the history of the Earth.

[–] 4ce@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

No, it says

100 to 1,000 times higher than the background extinction rate

both in the general intro and in the "Extinction rate" section, and

10 to 100 times higher than in any of the previous mass extinctions in the history of Earth

in the "Extinction rate" section (both verbatim quotes from its first sentence).

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[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (17 children)

I’m not on either side of the argument, but would guess a good argument would be that fish need to eat other fish in order to survive as it’s their only source of food. We don’t. Provenly.

[–] Indie@lemmy.fmhy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What's wrong with fish eating plastics we dump in the waters. Are they anti plastic or something?????

/S

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[–] tweeks@feddit.nl 17 points 2 years ago (6 children)

As far as value goes, I don't particularly value my own life or that of a fish. I do value the suffering of both while living though, as in I want to minimise that as much as possible.

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[–] chase_what_matters@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Can someone explain this template to me?

[–] UhBell@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm afraid that's classified information

[–] Relected@lemmy.kya.moe 5 points 2 years ago

SJ Voice: The fuck you mean classified?!? Motherfucker?

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[–] Chickerino@feddit.nl 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Buy a man eat fish, he day, teach fish man, to a lifetime

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago

Build a man a campfire and he's warm for the night; set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life

[–] django@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 2 years ago

How come fish can eat their own offspring but we can't do the same to ours?

[–] jtmetcalfe@lemmy.fmhy.ml 8 points 2 years ago

You know who’s not talking about the value of a fish’s life? Fish

[–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago

I suppose it was only a matter of time before the vegans vs meat eaters oozed on over from Reddit.

[–] where_am_i@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

You can, greg. But with that type of reasoning, you're also just a fish. And this is not a compliment, greg

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 4 points 2 years ago

I learned from Nirvana that it's okay to eat fish, 'cause they don't have any feelings.

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