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[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 15 points 4 hours ago

All the posts are about combat between some guy with a short sword vs. a spear. No one has considered Paul's ability to predict future actions and using that to determine the best outcome. Much like fighting a Jedi (who presumably could anticipate the immediate future), how can you fight someone who already knows how you'll move and the best counter?

[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Geronimo shredded motherfuckers with a spear. Dude was a master, one of his stories was about killing a whole regiment of Mexican Army who were armed with guns and he and only one or two other tribes men walked away and Geronimo was covered in blood and guts with only his spear left as a weapon.

[–] Maetani@jlai.lu 35 points 8 hours ago

In a fair fight sure, but this sneaky fucker can read inputs like those cheaty fighting games bots

[–] Name@feddit.nu 8 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 28 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

No shields. They'll attract Shai-Hulud.

[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

If no shield, can we have a beam laser build in to the staff to even things up with the precog.

...and some earplugs.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

In that case, a guy with a full-auto handgun

[–] lolrightythen@lemmy.world 1 points 44 minutes ago

Unless if is was a lagun. Possibly more explosive than an atomic

[–] BlazarNGC@lemm.ee 3 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

You only get a short time with the pointy end of the spear and then once a sword wielder is inside your range, you’ve got an unwieldy stick and they have a sword. Good for stand off melee maybe but prob not. Go swords.⚔️

[–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago

You only get a short time with the pointy end of the spear and then once a sword wielder is inside your range, you’ve got an unwieldy stick and they have a sword. Good for stand off melee maybe but prob not.

Yes, but getting in close without getting stabbed is really hard.
Here's an actual example of modern HEMA folks giving it a lot of goes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLLv8E2pWdk

[–] Whorehoarder@lemmynsfw.com 17 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

So you're saying, once you lose your advantage you gain a disadvantage? This the kind of religious propaganda that put Atreides on the throne

[–] BlazarNGC@lemm.ee 4 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

I’m just saying you better be hot fire with that spear. Otherwise you’re getting cut.

[–] dwindling7373@feddit.it 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Absolutely not. It's the other way around there's a reason any army get spears while swords are just a simbol for nobility.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

That reason is price to produce and skill to wield my dude

[–] dwindling7373@feddit.it 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not an expert, are you? All the in dephts historical weapon stuff I met in my life has told me and confirmed me spears win against swords.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I didn’t say spears didn’t win against swords.

Spears are easier to wield, it’s a pointy stick. It requires less training to use. Requires significantly less materials to make.

They are a standoff weapon though, in close combat a sword or small bladed weapon wins. Different tools for different purposes.

The information I’m parroting is from experts and historians and literature and everything I’ve read over my 4 decades, it’s common knowledge at this point and not really worth “arguing” imo.

[–] dwindling7373@feddit.it 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Well my anedoctal evidence is diametrically opposite to yours.

It's time to invoke the sacred sources.

  1. https://swordis.com/blog/spear-vs-sword/
[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Your sacred source might as well be what I just said, so cool thanks.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 9 points 7 hours ago

At close range the spear becomes a staff which can block the knife and give a concussion thwack.

[–] Phineaz@feddit.org 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Have you ever fenced against a spear?

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I fenced in college against people with slightly longer arms and just that minor difference put me at a huge disadvantage.

[–] Phineaz@feddit.org 1 points 3 hours ago

I feel you. I know how many hits I can get in just stabbing at unexpected moments at long range with my sword, with a spear it would be plenty easier.

[–] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I could beat them both with my invention, the megaspear

[–] SolacefromSilence@fedia.io 3 points 7 hours ago

Balista gang?

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

An Honored Matre with her sexy skills!