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I'm just sick of Reddit.

The communities there seem much more active than the once on lemmy, which is not a surprise.

However, I oftentimes find myself doom scrolling through reddit, just because of some nonsense BS propaganda, ads, etc .., snuck inbetween of the community posts I'm actually interested in.

How can we convince the people over there to move away?

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[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Lol it's porn.

Not anything else. Provide the better covert porn outlet.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 2 points 2 hours ago

There's porn on here. Lemmynsfw.com is actually the second most populous instance irrc (or top 3?). Just got to convince people to post to it. But then we got the same problem of trying to convince people to do that lol.

[–] matcha_addict@lemy.lol 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Which communities? I personally find most of my favorite communities to be better in lemmy than on Reddit, with a few exceptions.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Well there are some video game ones.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 3 points 2 hours ago

Ya I just got to reddit for specific video game ones now basically. Or specific TV shows.

[–] Nangt3c@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Why? So moderators can come here and ban you from their communities if you don't agree with their biased bullshit and politics? No thank you

[–] ad_on_is@lemm.ee 2 points 3 hours ago

There are already some communities with the same tooic, but without much interaction, so I was mainly refering to joining existing ones.

However, even if that happens, one can simply go ahead and create a new community with normal mod behavior.

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

Mods can't ban you from their fediverse community. You could just post from another site. It is why fediverse is superior to reddit.

[–] ericjmorey@discuss.online 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Lemmy needs to mature on a technical basis. The Lemmy service itself is still lacking significantly. But it it progressing.

Outside of technical limitations, focus on communities. A few good ones are better than many mediocre ones.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

What technical limitations do you see? I feel like other than multireddits this place is basically equal to reddit.

[–] ericjmorey@discuss.online 1 points 1 hour ago

Just about anything related to moderation tools.
Dealing with the All feed properly.
Users being able to configure default sorting on posts.
etc.

[–] Wistful@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 11 hours ago

They allegedly remove posts/comments about lemmy? And even if they don't, I feel like it could have the opposite effect. People would see those posts just like ads/promotion/spam. Which would give lemmy a bad rep. Unless something big happens, like some big community switching to lemmy, or someone with a big following promotes lemmy, it will hardly see a big spike in user count.

The only way is to passively "advertise" it. Maybe add the link to your lemmy account in your reddits about you section, if you are making OC add your lemmy handle there as well...

And the last way, which is most likely the best way to do it, is to post good content on lemmy, keep communities alive. And people will eventually join.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 38 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

We don't. We just continue to stay here and grow and flourish naturally. I see no need to rush.

[–] Thetimefarm@lemm.ee 5 points 10 hours ago

Yup, I say it in every thread of this sort I see pop up, you definitionally can't force organic engagement.

[–] FrostyTrichs@walledgarden.xyz 86 points 19 hours ago (10 children)

I'm just sick of Reddit.

How can we convince the people over there to move away?

I see things like this all the time on the fediverse. There's this sentiment that reddit sucks and it's nothing but bots and shithousery, but for some people they still want that crowd to migrate here.

I think Lemmy needs to let go of the idea of the "good" parts of reddit transferring here and everyone miraculously behaving differently, because it just isn't going to happen. The people left on reddit are there because that's the experience they want. Trying to import them en masse to Lemmy again is just going to bring more irritation and frustration IMO.

I think Lemmy would be better served working to improve and develop the communities they already have through users that are already here. Find ways to make your interests appealing to others. Be active in ways and places you usually wouldn't, and Lemmy will grow up around us organically. None of these social media giants have anything of substance to offer their huge user bases besides the niche communities you guys are missing, and that's why people spend so much time doomscrolling.

What we are missing is that someone on Reddit took the time to get these communities going too. Reddit wasn't an instant success, it took the efforts of the early membership to drive engagement and user growth. Lemmy is obsessed with the idea of short cutting this step to steal members from other networks, and that's silly.

No one is going to leave a well designed botnet social media for a black hole called the fediverse. In order to gain more meaningful membership we must first prove that Lemmy is worth overcoming the barriers to enter and engage with the people that are already here. Once the rest of the internet finds out we're cool, they'll show up.

[–] ApollosArrow@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

I see this a lot too and to me it mimics the 7 stages of grief. It sounds like he just passed anger and is at bargaining.

I think if most of the reddit transplants (myself a transplant) can’t arrive at acceptance, they end up going back.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 30 points 18 hours ago

"Reddit is awful. How do we move that here?"

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 19 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

We simply don't need Reddit users. We need Lemmy users who desire to start communities. Lemmy is Reddit 10 years ago, and that's just fine.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 13 points 18 hours ago

Lemmy is Reddit 10 years ago

I mean it's not THAT good, but it's sure better than Reddit today.

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[–] Sonor@lemmy.world 8 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

For me - and i am new - the whole point of lemmy is less people, less content to scroll, and more quality. If lemmy was reddit, i would leave lemmy too

[–] FrostyTrichs@walledgarden.xyz 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

There's nothing wrong with this approach either but I'd remind you and anyone else seeking this experience that Lemmy is infinitely more customizable for this than reddit ever was. The ability to block users, communities, instances, etc can be invaluable. Some instances also don't federate with everyone so it's fairly easy to find a smaller space that isn't so busy if the larger instances are too much.

Lemmy gets a lot of shit, and deservedly so at times, but there are already some very handy tools in the kit for curating your feed to your liking.

[–] Ofiuco@lemmy.cafe 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

But some features don't make sense or seem half-assed, like blocking instances at user level, it should also block every user from that instance, but for some weird reason it doesn't, you don't see the post from that instance, but posts on other instances made by those users and comments from users of that instance are still visible... So we are still forced into instance jumping until we find one that aligns with what we deem acceptable... And that could take a while.

Or the fact that Lemmy users talk a lot about privacy but the delete function doesn't really delete the content as it can be easily restored at any moment.

[–] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 1 points 38 minutes ago

These are big technical issues IMO, especially considering the large amount of tankies on Lemmy. It doesn't help that many tankies have accounts on LW and other "normal" instances.

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[–] SomeGuy69@lemmy.world 13 points 17 hours ago

Where does the believe even originate from, that Redditors are any different than Lemmings? Basically the same people minus the youngest, because they stick with using Reddit. They might or might not migrate eventually.

Make communities here bigger by contributing and spread the word of Reddit alternative. Make search engines find Lemmy content and then it goes on it's own. I guess Bluesky will push the Fediverse, but I wonder how long people will stick to a Twitter esque when they could have Lemmy full text conversations and tree structures?

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 24 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Advertise one instance instead of just saying "join lemmy"

id go a step further and say you need to draw a sub to a specific community. its hard moving users though when reddit actually attempts to prevent it by banning you for trying.

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 19 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Most people don't change unless they have to, and rarely even then. You'd have to make it so that they can't visit Reddit anymore.

Even on reddit itself, you can't get people to move from a sick community with hostile moderation to the preferred community. /r/Canada got taken over by /r/metacanada what feels like decades ago, and they turned it into a post modern bigoted classist hellhole, but it still ranks far above the "real" Canadian sub /r/OnGaurdForThee.

Maybe better not to compete with existing communities. Develop some anchor communities on Lemmy that are doing their own thing on topics that aren't well served on Reddit.

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[–] myopic_menace@reddthat.com 16 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

Post in communities that align with your interests. Post in communities for your geographic area, if you're comfortable with that. Comment on posts you see, if you think you can add something of value to the conversation.

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[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 15 points 18 hours ago

Stop using Reddit.

[–] Mickey7@lemmy.world 12 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

One suggestion to increase participation on Lemmy of those already here is to encourage people to spend some time just looking at the "all new posts" feed. I look at it a few times per day and was surprised at the number of Lemmy groups that I never knew existed. There are far to many groups here that started out good and just faded away. If it's an interest of yours post there and try to rejuvenate the group. Message the existing moderator if you can be added as a mod for that group.

[–] m_f@midwest.social 6 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Send interesting Lemmy links to people you know. That's how they get interested, and check it out. You won't convince many people by extolling the benefits of the Fediverse, you just have to show them that they'll be entertained, and maybe they'll be somewhat more likely to switch if they know it won't enshittify. I'd say you should send links from instances that don't federate with some of the weirder places like Hexbear though, that's likely to turn people off until they realize how the Fediverse works.

One thing that we could use more of that draws people in is posts about relationship issues. Entertaining for almost everyone, and pretty much anyone can create them from their own experience.

[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 4 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Don't bother, just make your own communities or magazines and contribute to them regularly.

"If you build it, they will come."

You can tell people about it if you like (especially if it comes up casually in conversation), but if you try to push it too hard you'll drive people away.

If the fediverse grows too quickly, it will also introduce more problems existing systems may not be able to handle.

[–] Auster@thebrainbin.org 3 points 15 hours ago

Something I've been thinking about is that changes only happen organically, so I think it's good to not be an insistent advocate for a platform X, Y or Z. Instead, I think that perhaps it's better, instead, to simply use the platform the person is more favorable towards whenever possible, and if people then share something worth sharing, it should slowly bring people over. And regarding the annoying part, at most, making a note about technicalities and the type of people in the site could be good if discussions the person is engaged in allows, and if the person didn't burn people's patience by being pedantic.

[–] n3cr0@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Ask and answer their popular questions again in here. Also, a popular search engine should list the thread on Lemmy.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago

Engage with communities here. The politics and tech communities are lively enough, but niche communities are lacking. Give people a reason to come here who aren't politics/tech junkies.

[–] Subtracty@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago

I don't want the masses from Reddit to migrate to Lemmy. I want people currently on Lemmy to post and comment. More engagement is what we need. No one is going to move to Lemmy if they see the top posts are hours old with only 100 upvotes and no comments.

If they didn't leave Reddit by now, they like the new Reddit experience.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Lots of edgelords here like "I don't want the reddit plebs here" as though they weren't happily one of them a couple years ago.

Let them come over. Put the idea of federation to the test. Isn't that one of the major features of federation, if there are a bunch of shitty people you can just defederate or use a different community?
If federation does what it claims then it'll only be an improvement.

I agree with people saying not to force people here if they don't wanna be (not that we could), but the people saying that folks still on reddit are there because they inherently prefer the reddit application UX is crazy. They prefer the content in reddit. And they have a point.

Folks here are way more insufferable than reddit. Just the other day there was a post being like "why do reddit users hate Lemmy?" And linked a reddit post about it. But the comments on the reddit post were considered, nuanced, and polite; while the comments on the Lemmy post were a bunch of neckbeards crying about how terrible reddit users are.

TLDR y'all need to look in the mirror.

Edit: typo degenerate → defederate

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