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A perpetual stew, also known as forever soup, hunter's pot, or hunter's stew, is a pot into which foodstuffs are placed and cooked, continuously. The pot is never or rarely emptied all the way, and ingredients and liquid are replenished as necessary. Such foods can continue cooking for decades or longer if properly maintained. The concept is often a common element in descriptions of medieval inns.

Foods prepared in a perpetual stew have been described as being flavorful due to the manner in which the ingredients blend together. Various ingredients can be used in a perpetual stew such as root vegetables, tubers (potatoes, yams, etc.), and various meats.

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[–] BlitzoTheOisSilent@lemmy.world 30 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Fun fact: ever had soup at a restaurant, and then made it at home but it didn't taste quite the same or as good? There's two main reasons:

  1. If it's a restaurant that actually makes their own soups (versus them being shipped in in a bag to be reheated), they're very likely using leftovers to make your soup. So unless you're using the exact same ingredients as the restaurant, it's not going to taste the same.

  2. The bigger reason being that they likely made the soup you're eating at least the day before it's served to you. This gives the ingredients of the soup time to marry, this is that "blend together" they're talking about. This takes time, regardless of what you're cooking, but it gives the ingredients the necessary time overnight to just... Become a better soup.

The leftovers they use have likely been marrying their flavors for a day or two before they're put into the soup, so all of that blended flavor deliciousness is going to blend even more in the soup.

[–] WhyFlip@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago

Homemade chilli is almost always better after the first day.

[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Ah, but what about a perpetual 1 day blinding stew?

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 6 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I don't understand this reference.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

where it was often necessary to render unruly guests blind.

(emphasis mine)

Blind?!

[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 hours ago

Peeps really pushed the limits of unruly back in yore.

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What does the FDA say about this?

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Add worms and inject soup in brain.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

is this the FDA guide under Trump's team

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

yes. but don't worry the brain worm is dead and totally not in control. you would best obey.

[–] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 17 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

If it's kept at a steady temperature above 140F it should be fine.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Some guy falls asleep overnight and suddenly the whole inn is dead from botulism

[–] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Restaurants already do plenty of things which require cooking overnight, though.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Cooking or soaking? How do you safely cook overnight?

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago

If it's water based, the temperature won't go over 100 C. Ideally, you'd want to simmer it below that rather than cook it at a high boil. Then you'd just need to make sure there was enough water in it that it wouldn't all evaporate off while unattended (though more accurately, you'd want enough water to prevent the bottom part from drying out faster than more water can replace it to avoid it burning on the bottom, though that's not so much a safety issue as it is a quality issue). Or just cover it so that any evaporating water recondenses and ends up back in the stew (though this only really slows the rate at which you lose water, since the pressure buildup will force the cover open and let some steam escape and many covers have a hole to equalize the pressure, so still keep an eye on water levels if you do a long cook).

If all the water evaporates, then the heat can rise, potentially to a flash point of some ingredient, which would start a fire, which I'd think would be the main safety issue with a slow cook like that, assuming you maintain a safe temperature above 60 C.

For microbial food safety, cooking over long periods is safer than soaking, generally speaking. It depends on how it is prepared/stored.

Like canning or jarring could be considered a soak, but you need to seal the container (so no new microbes get in) and cook it in the jar (to kill off any microbes that were already on the food), or use another method that creates an environment hostile to microbes, like make it too salty or acidic.

Or another option is to deliberately introduce microbes that play nice with our guts and allow it to ferment, which is essentially allowing it to digest a bit outside of our guts. The idea there is that any new microbes that try to move in can't compete with the existing colony and either die off or maintain a population small enough to not cause harm.

A long cook is basically maintaining the temperature that canning uses to kill off microbes without then sealing it away from new ones. New ones will arrive but then die due to the heat.

Note that some foods can break down into harmful compounds if cooked long enough or can contain harmful compounds that require a boil to cook off, like kidney beans. Also if the food already contains heat-resistant toxins, obviously cooking it for a long time won't get rid of them.

[–] meliaesc@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

My family in Jamaica make their goat stew overnight. Just leave the fire going. Safe? Probably not, but very widely practiced.

[–] Lennny@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Low and slow? Ever had BBQ? If that shit wasn't cooked overnight, miss me with that shit. (Unless it's turkey or chicken obviously).

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[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago

A popular version of this in the Americas was sofky/sofke/sofkee/sofkey using cornmeal as a base ingredient: https://www.atlasobscura.com/foods/sofkee-sofkey-sour-corn

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Only should be really careful about lentils, peas, anything that sticks to the bottom.

Cabbage is good. Beef is good. Potatoes are good. Carrots - make it go bad a bit faster when not on fire. Same with peas. And of course with onions it'll go bad very fast.

[–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Carrots - make it go bad a bit faster when not on fire.

Don't really know why carrots would make it go bad faster, but the point of a perpetual stew is to never stop cooking it. The fire is always on.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago

It's the sugars in those vegetables. It turns the pot into a bacterial growth medium. Given enough time, something is going to survive that environment. Maybe it'll be probiotic, but most likely, it won't.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Sugar in them, I think.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I followed you until the end. I know near nothing about onions other than their taste and a few cooking techniques. Is there something in them that cause other items around them to go bad quickly?

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[–] Maultasche@lemmy.world 195 points 1 day ago (31 children)
[–] ComicalMayhem@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

no, this is my mother's soup

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[–] ChojinDSL@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 1 day ago (4 children)

At what point does a soup become a stew?

[–] ChojinDSL@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Incidentally, would a bowl of cereal be considered soup?

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago

Yes, but only for the mere moments before it becomes porridge.

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[–] general_kitten@sopuli.xyz 1 points 16 hours ago

I'd say when you would consider eating from a plate

[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I'd say you can drink a soup but you can't easily drink a stew.

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Seems like a way to get into a Chubbyemu video... 🤔

(Its a channel about people going to the ER because of stupid things like food poisoning, overdose on medicine, etc...)

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

People have been doing this for hundreds of years without issue.

[–] Decoy321@lemmy.world 0 points 10 hours ago

Hundreds of years, yes. Without issue? Definitely incorrect. It is a statistical certainty that, in the entire course of history, someone somewhere has gotten sick and died from this cooking method.

Pedantry aside, it's all about who's making the stew that matters. A seasoned chef today with the sufficient knowledge of modern food safety practices can keep a stew reliably safe to eat. Some old farmer centuries ago will experience a lot more opportunities for contamination and won't notice until they get the shits.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago

Best way to avoid cleaning the pot!

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