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A perpetual stew, also known as forever soup, hunter's pot, or hunter's stew, is a pot into which foodstuffs are placed and cooked, continuously. The pot is never or rarely emptied all the way, and ingredients and liquid are replenished as necessary. Such foods can continue cooking for decades or longer if properly maintained. The concept is often a common element in descriptions of medieval inns.

Foods prepared in a perpetual stew have been described as being flavorful due to the manner in which the ingredients blend together. Various ingredients can be used in a perpetual stew such as root vegetables, tubers (potatoes, yams, etc.), and various meats.

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[–] BlitzoTheOisSilent@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fun fact: ever had soup at a restaurant, and then made it at home but it didn't taste quite the same or as good? There's two main reasons:

  1. If it's a restaurant that actually makes their own soups (versus them being shipped in in a bag to be reheated), they're very likely using leftovers to make your soup. So unless you're using the exact same ingredients as the restaurant, it's not going to taste the same.

  2. The bigger reason being that they likely made the soup you're eating at least the day before it's served to you. This gives the ingredients of the soup time to marry, this is that "blend together" they're talking about. This takes time, regardless of what you're cooking, but it gives the ingredients the necessary time overnight to just... Become a better soup.

The leftovers they use have likely been marrying their flavors for a day or two before they're put into the soup, so all of that blended flavor deliciousness is going to blend even more in the soup.

[–] WhyFlip@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

Homemade chilli is almost always better after the first day.

[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Ah, but what about a perpetual 1 day blinding stew?

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't understand this reference.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

where it was often necessary to render unruly guests blind.

(emphasis mine)

Blind?!

[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 16 hours ago

Peeps really pushed the limits of unruly back in yore.

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What does the FDA say about this?

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Add worms and inject soup in brain.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

is this the FDA guide under Trump's team

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

yes. but don't worry the brain worm is dead and totally not in control. you would best obey.

[–] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If it's kept at a steady temperature above 140F it should be fine.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Some guy falls asleep overnight and suddenly the whole inn is dead from botulism

[–] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Restaurants already do plenty of things which require cooking overnight, though.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Cooking or soaking? How do you safely cook overnight?

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 7 points 21 hours ago

If it's water based, the temperature won't go over 100 C. Ideally, you'd want to simmer it below that rather than cook it at a high boil. Then you'd just need to make sure there was enough water in it that it wouldn't all evaporate off while unattended (though more accurately, you'd want enough water to prevent the bottom part from drying out faster than more water can replace it to avoid it burning on the bottom, though that's not so much a safety issue as it is a quality issue). Or just cover it so that any evaporating water recondenses and ends up back in the stew (though this only really slows the rate at which you lose water, since the pressure buildup will force the cover open and let some steam escape and many covers have a hole to equalize the pressure, so still keep an eye on water levels if you do a long cook).

If all the water evaporates, then the heat can rise, potentially to a flash point of some ingredient, which would start a fire, which I'd think would be the main safety issue with a slow cook like that, assuming you maintain a safe temperature above 60 C.

For microbial food safety, cooking over long periods is safer than soaking, generally speaking. It depends on how it is prepared/stored.

Like canning or jarring could be considered a soak, but you need to seal the container (so no new microbes get in) and cook it in the jar (to kill off any microbes that were already on the food), or use another method that creates an environment hostile to microbes, like make it too salty or acidic.

Or another option is to deliberately introduce microbes that play nice with our guts and allow it to ferment, which is essentially allowing it to digest a bit outside of our guts. The idea there is that any new microbes that try to move in can't compete with the existing colony and either die off or maintain a population small enough to not cause harm.

A long cook is basically maintaining the temperature that canning uses to kill off microbes without then sealing it away from new ones. New ones will arrive but then die due to the heat.

Note that some foods can break down into harmful compounds if cooked long enough or can contain harmful compounds that require a boil to cook off, like kidney beans. Also if the food already contains heat-resistant toxins, obviously cooking it for a long time won't get rid of them.

[–] meliaesc@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago

My family in Jamaica make their goat stew overnight. Just leave the fire going. Safe? Probably not, but very widely practiced.

[–] Lennny@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Low and slow? Ever had BBQ? If that shit wasn't cooked overnight, miss me with that shit. (Unless it's turkey or chicken obviously).

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[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Only should be really careful about lentils, peas, anything that sticks to the bottom.

Cabbage is good. Beef is good. Potatoes are good. Carrots - make it go bad a bit faster when not on fire. Same with peas. And of course with onions it'll go bad very fast.

[–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Carrots - make it go bad a bit faster when not on fire.

Don't really know why carrots would make it go bad faster, but the point of a perpetual stew is to never stop cooking it. The fire is always on.

It's the sugars in those vegetables. It turns the pot into a bacterial growth medium. Given enough time, something is going to survive that environment. Maybe it'll be probiotic, but most likely, it won't.

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[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I followed you until the end. I know near nothing about onions other than their taste and a few cooking techniques. Is there something in them that cause other items around them to go bad quickly?

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[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

A popular version of this in the Americas was sofky/sofke/sofkee/sofkey using cornmeal as a base ingredient: https://www.atlasobscura.com/foods/sofkee-sofkey-sour-corn

[–] Maultasche@lemmy.world 196 points 1 day ago (31 children)
[–] ComicalMayhem@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

no, this is my mother's soup

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[–] ChojinDSL@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 1 day ago (4 children)

At what point does a soup become a stew?

[–] ChojinDSL@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Incidentally, would a bowl of cereal be considered soup?

Yes, but only for the mere moments before it becomes porridge.

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[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I'd say you can drink a soup but you can't easily drink a stew.

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[–] general_kitten@sopuli.xyz 1 points 21 hours ago

I'd say when you would consider eating from a plate

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[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago

Best way to avoid cleaning the pot!

[–] BeanGoblin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Made one during the pandemic lockdown. Lasted about a month before I got tired of soup.

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[–] wjrii@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (2 children)

One minor cultural artifact of this general idea:

Pease porridge hot, Pease porridge cold, Pease porridge in the pot, nine days old.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Huh? Explain for a non native speaker?

[–] discount_door_garlic@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

don't worry, Im a native speaker and I also have no idea...

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 16 hours ago

They’re some lines from an old nursery rhyme.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pease_Porridge_Hot

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