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'Choose' rhymes with 'lose'? I mean c'mon, someone did that shit on purpose πŸ‘€

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[–] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 25 points 6 days ago

They never did. Their spelling, meaning, and pronunciation are the same as they have always been.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 44 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (47 children)

The bigger problem is that lose should rhyme with pose or close. Loose is fine.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Don't get me started on ough and ead.

The lead soldier kneaded dough in the bough brush while they read the book that they previously read while taking a furlough in the rough.

[–] xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 6 days ago (2 children)
[–] tyler@programming.dev 4 points 6 days ago

Didn’t even have to click. Great poem

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I read this and all I could think of was "Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo"

[–] Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

How can the soldier knead anything if they're made of lead?

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[–] Aeao@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

Read rhymes with lead, and read rhymes with lead, but lead doesn't rhyme with read and lead doesn't rhyme with read.

I mean yeah 'loose' could probably be pronounced like 'choose' and it would still make sense, but it absolutely wouldnt make sense for 'lose' to be pronounced like 'moose' or 'goose'. Im not sure what you even mean when you say they switched meanings either because thats just false.

[–] ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

they are very different in my mind. perhaps because i first came across them in their respective contexts through reading.

even when speaking, to me, lose rhymes with booze and loose rhymes with goose.

this has never been a problem for me, personally.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

And here's me, another non-native speaker, just learning that booze doesn't rhyme with goose.

oh, no, no, no! booze and a goose should never go together!

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[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago

english is a very silly language that's evolved so you can do almost anything with it

it's a risky strat but it seems to have worked

[–] NorthWestWind@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

May as well combine words with the same pronunciation into one word and call it Simplified English (/s)

Honestly tho, this is one of the features of Simplified Chinese, which created the infamous "fuck vegetables" (干菜类).

It's meant to say "dried vegetables" (乾菜鑞 in TC), but δΉΎβ†’εΉ². Meanwhile, there exists εΉΉβ†’εΉ² as well, which means "fuck".

fuck vegetables

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[–] vaper@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

Loose rhymes with noose. I can't think of a word that's spelled and pronounced like lose so you have me there.

choose lose cruise booze

all rhyme lol

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Wait, if they swapped meanings and then swapped spellings then doesn't that mean they're the same as before?

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 3 points 6 days ago

Grrr! English strikes again!

[–] Here4CatPics@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

It's a lose/loose situation

[–] db2@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

They didn't, except among the ignorant and autocorrect.

[–] corvett@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 days ago (6 children)

It's a miracle I know it, and having to teach someone how to read and spell was an eye opener for me trying to explain "this is like this except for this one word because... Reasons and sometimes there's a variation like this because...reasons" so many times.

[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 8 points 6 days ago

Agreed, I am teaching my second son to read.

I am having the same conversations as when I taught my first to read.

"ok, this word is a 'sight word' because it doesn't make the sounds you expect. It says won, but it looks like it says on-e"

Mostly the "reasons" just boil down to etymology. We spell things the way the languages we stole them from spelled them.

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[–] can@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What about the words that are only different in tone.

Content and content

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It is read like lead, not read like lead.

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[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There's ~~too~~ ~~to~~ two different ways to pronounce and spell many words.

Fuck, that's three!

[–] AnAustralianPhotographer@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Steady up over ~~their~~ ~~they're~~ there.

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[–] Jerb322@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

Trust me, it is equally frustrating for most Americans...or almost, anyway.

[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Are you familiar with β€œThe Chaos” by Gerard Nolst TrenitΓ©?

Deep breath:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chaos

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I believe the generally accepted scientific term for the English language is "clusterfuck".

[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

English is idiosyncratic as hell. Didn’t someone famous call it β€œnot a language but 3 languages in an overcoat.”

Adding to this specific instance is that even native speakers spell things wrong. They loose their keys, etc.

[–] cholesterol@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If we start now, we can probably switch the pronunciations of Aristotle and chipotle within a generation.

Chip-ot-el

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 6 days ago

Okay TIL that these aren't pronounced the same.

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