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[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 62 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I find the top three ratios interesting: there's a tiny skew towards females but a huge skew towards males.

It doesn't show what the green threshold is though. From memory, the natural birth ratio is 49:51 m:f, so the female skew is only about 3% while the male skew is about 20%. Seven times larger.

If I were colouring the map, I don't think I'd have bothered with differentiating purple and green, or perhaps used more graduations.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago (2 children)

My guess is that there isn't a country out there that has a cultural preference for women over men, so at best you're going to see fairly close to equal, plus the difference of men dying earlier from things like wars, dangerous jobs, and lifestyle.

Whereas there are many cultures that strongly select for male children, plus some that also bring in high numbers of male workers.

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 12 points 1 month ago

Yep, that's the point I was circling around ;-)

I was wondering if there was a correlation between purple and war. There certainly was in early C20 post world-wars.

[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

A lot of countries / cultures do still have bride prices , i.e. reverse dowry, so there is some economic incentive for women there but probably not enough to commit infanticide or selective abortions that causes some of the lopsided male ratios.

[–] Shou@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

India prohibited doctors from telling parents the sex of their unborn child to combat sex selection.

[–] Patariki@feddit.nl 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Just a guess, but I think the difference in a country like Qatar can be explained by the import of labor. They hire a workforce from a different country which tend to be dominantly male in those regions. And we've seen with the football WC how they're developing.

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 7 points 1 month ago

https://seasia.co/infographic/qatar-population-by-nationalities-2024 reckons 20% of the entire population of Qatar are Indian. If that's mostly workforce then yeah. It could easily be the skew.

[–] OwlPaste@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Isn't this mostly showing that females have longer lifespans and in countries where they have weird preference for boys, the skew towards male?

[–] zarkony@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes, plus migrant labor. I imagine most countries that skew male are only a percent or two off. The major outliers are the Persian gulf nations, because they are tiny and rich. All those extra men are migrant workers from poorer nations, sending money back home.

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Also impacting the ratios of where they left from.

A lot of men from Lithuania will work abroad, artificially inflating the ratio of women left behind

[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago

Yeah, it's not "young hot women got no one to fuck". It's mostly grannies. The more purple the country, the more grannies it has.

[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

Yup. In Lithuania, women tend to live 10-15 years longer, hence the surplus of women.

[–] iii@mander.xyz 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Omg is there infanticide going on in qatar and the likes? Or are people not registering female births?

Please let it be the latter, as a bad solution amongst worse solutions.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

In many countries where males are valued more highly culturally, infanticide is depressingly common. On a similar note, many countries have outlawed doctors revealing the baby's sex during pregnancy appointments because too many parents would end the pregnancy if it was going to be a girl.

[–] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Immigrant workers who tend to be males

[–] iii@mander.xyz 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Can you elaborate? As for as I know this is about sex registred ar birth, unrelated to immigration.

[–] odium@programming.dev 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Qatar and UAE are small petro states with more immigrants than natives. Most of these immigrant laborers are men in their 20s which skews the gender ratio.

[–] iii@mander.xyz 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Thank you, that makes much more sense. I EU too, most refugees tend to be male.

[–] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago

Where did u see that? The map just says population ratio

[–] superkret@feddit.org 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Is it? Where do you see that?

[–] iii@mander.xyz 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Thank you for the question. On second thought: I misunderstood

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I can only speak for Malaysia. So here's the news from last year census:

https://www.bernama.com/en/news.php?id=2297508#%3A%7E%3Atext=He+said+the+country%27s+male%2C100+females%2C%E2%80%9D+he+said.

In general, for citizen it's 103:100 male/female ratio, it's only when added the whole population, including permanent resident and immigrant, the ratio skewed to 111:100, because there's more immigrant men coming in to work as blue collar than women. There's no widespread infanticide happening as far as i can tell, so it's very likely just happen naturally.

What happened in Qatar is very likely similar situation.

[–] modeler@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There's no widespread infanticide happening as far as i can tell

Just a little female infanticide going on.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 6 points 1 month ago

As little as USA, that's true. Except US prefer to kill pregnant woman, we here have free healthcare and sensible abortion rule.

[–] olosta@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

This is probably on the whole population, so predominantly male immigration is likely the main reason.

The map is not very helpful about what is actually depicted but wikipedia has similar data with a breakdown by age :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_sex_ratio

Qatar for instance is not very high (this is a ratio of number of male over number of female) on the "at birth" and "0-14" age bracket with 1.02. it's actually a bit lower than western countries.

The data is still concerning in some countries with notably larger "at birth" ratio and even an increase in th "0-14" age bracket.

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 month ago

I'm assuming it's all the indenture workers skewing the results.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Remember when there were a like 114 boys to 100 girls in China? That means they killed around 10-15 girls for every 100 girls born.

[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

I'd heard China was gay as santorum but fuck that's a wild ratio.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

75% male?? What's Qatar doing??

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My educated guess would be immigrant workforce

[–] Somethingcheezie@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My uneducated guess was slaves

[–] tacosplease@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Overall the places with more men seem to also be places where it's not fun to be a woman. Wonder how much of the ratio is due to poor healthcare options and lack of cultural appreciation/equality for women?

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Women leaving Norway and Sweden?

[–] felykiosa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

France more female , damn I m bad. 😔

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 1 month ago

Society with more "males" is a miserable place lol

Sucks to sucks Muslims, Indians and Chinese

Sure way to lead to an implosion, inshallah

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm guessing the pink ones are the countries that are the most at war with other countries.

Or the blue ones are the ones that recently got out of war and are experiencing the Returning Soldier Effect

[–] Sybilvane@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago

Life expectancy is longer for women, so I think it's just countries with nothing weird going on, but they'll still have significantly more older women than older men.

[–] thenextguy@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The one that counts, not the one about clothes and voice training.

[–] thenextguy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I meant - Insects? Birds? Fish?

[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago

Guess again, if you don't get there by deduction, maybe you'll arrive by sheer volume and determination.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today -4 points 1 month ago

As measured by statistics*