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[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 60 points 1 month ago (3 children)

It makes them uncomfortable to talk about it. Or acknowledge it's lingering effects. It's much more uncomfortable for the people suffering the lingering effects. But that's not what's important./s

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 29 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It doesn’t make them uncomfortable. They just don’t want people to know that they’re still doing it.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Well that is why it makes them uncomfortable. People knowing what they're doing:-)

[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Still doing it / going to significantly ramp it up. Think those immigrants are ever getting out of the camps? Nah, they'll just be free labor now. As will plenty of Americans.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 month ago

Didn't you hear? The past was always better, and Now is always the low ebb in the decline of our civilization until we return to the values that made yesterday great.

If the past is somehow to blame for the problems of today, that might mean there was something wrong with the past. If that's the case, then maybe other things from the past have problems, including things that I like or benefit me personally, or that changing would imply a lot of big scary changes that I'm not ready for.

That's why attempts to talk about little mistakes from the past like chattel slavery, indigenous genocide, phillipino genocide or endemic discrimination and institutionalized racism are just attempts by bad people to tear down perfection and keep us from returning to a simpler, better time where those mistakes never happened.

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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 54 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

This doesn’t have to be controversial, just read the confederate state’s declarations of succession. The cause of the civil war isn’t open for interpretation. The people who succeeded litterally wrote down and formally publicized their reasons.

none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 month ago

Yeah that's your first mistake. You assume magas read. They don't. Then you assume they care about facts. Big mistake, buddy. They don't!

Don't forget the part where if you joined the Confederacy you signed:

"No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in Negro slaves shall be passed.”

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (7 children)

and a blow at slavery is a blow at civilization

Oh fuck if I had three wishes one of them would be to get a hatchet and get into a ring with whatever fucktard wrote that.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Go read what the other states wrote. There’s more fun in there!

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[–] belastend@slrpnk.net 39 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yeah, but have you considered that both sides bad?

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

This is business as usual, I was told, nothing would change, us shitlibs were just scaremongering about Trump.

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Sure. But one side is SIGNIFICANTLY worse than the other

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[–] positiveWHAT@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I can't believe the US is about to let illiberal "Christo" tyrants win without a fight. Should do as Jon Stewart said, play on their level and just don't confirm the votes.

[–] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 56 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Trump doesn't qualify for president, per the 14th amendment. I'm kind of pissed that the fucking constitution is being treated as novel law and not the foundation for our laws.

[–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But that is in an amendment so it only has to be followed 3/5ths of the way.

I'm actually really surprised we didn't have a new lawsuit about his ability to take the oath of office. Not that it will actually matter but these Trump sycophants should have to state publication they don't care what the law says.

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

[–] DogWater@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61084161

None of that has been tried in a court since the supreme Court ruling. And insurrection isn't even one of the charges in the indictment.

We can't have a lawsuit about that till a ruling is handed down saying he did any of those things

Which the Republicans knew, so they just had to delay until he won again and can pardon/dismiss/fire Jack smith/etc

[–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Nothing in the 14th section 3 says he must be charged with it even tried for insurrection. The Colorado trial court judge, after hearing all of the J6 evidence against Trump, found that he did engage in insurrection but did not remove him from the ballot. https://www.citizensforethics.org/news/press-releases/appeal-filed-in-colorado-14th-amendment-case/

The Colorado Supreme Court eventually ruled that he should be removed from the primary ballot.

SCOTUS did not take up the question of if Trump had participated in an inspection ~~inspection~~, they only ruled that a state could not remove a candidate under the 14th section 3.

Edit: a word

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Which also shows the danger of the already eroding democracy...

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (3 children)

They barely teach about it as it is. My daughter's social studies textbook had page after page about Marbury v. Madison and two paragraphs about Harriet Tumbman.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Harriet Tubman was a great hero, but she did not shape society. Marbury v. Madison established judicial review, which allows the SC to strike down laws as unconstitutional. That's massive. Brown v. Board of Education or Roe v. Wade rely on that.

Judicial review has been adopted by republics around the world (though not all). Writing as a European, I believe it's a greatly underappreciated US contribution to global culture and the cause of democracy and human rights.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Marbury v. Madison established judicial review, which allows the SC to strike down laws as unconstitutional.

That is literally all a 14-year-old needs to know about it.

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[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is just the tip Americans, he's about to give you all 4"

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

That's giving him twice the credit Stormy did

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

Can't have schools teaching about slavery in the land of the free. It just doesn't fit with the theme.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 15 points 1 month ago

In his 6min 1A speech the week after winning he’s going off about censorship and social media moderation. He asked Republican legislators to send retain your records letters to the universities in their states. He then said he was going to pull funding from all universities guilty of censorship/moderation not just going forward, but in the past as well.

He had a bit about never using the “labels” misinformation and disinformation going forward. It’s unclear if that piece is included in that threat to universities.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It was always about bringing slavery back.

Ever since we shed blood to end it, they've been trying to bring it back.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Slavery never ended.

Ever see those stupid laws like “don’t ride a horse on a Sunday?” Or look at when “vagrancy” laws were passed, or differences in sentencing between crack and coke.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Look at prison rates and racial backgrounds in the south. Look at how felonies are used to disenfranchise. Look at the war on drugs.

[–] dance_ninja@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)
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[–] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

“Let’s say.. they just decide … ‘Oh, we’re gonna get rid of…history,” Kilmeade posed. “We got new history. This is America built off the backs of slaves on stolen land, and that curriculum comes in.”

“We don’t send them money,” Trump responded. “We would save half of our budget.”

So.. Wait. I heard about the controversy with CRT, but what's this? Are they really saying native Americans were treated fairly and slavery wasn't a big part of the southern economy??

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 7 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Gotta love how the faux host, Brian Kilmeade, is already implying that 'murica being built off the backs of slaves and stolen land is "new history" instead of factual history

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[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There isn't Just One Source article. It's been nearly 4 years worth of articles. Across many different publications. Look up anything where conservatives mention woke. They use it as a code word. In context to mean either addressing issues of racial oppression and disparity. Or gender discrimination. Sometimes both in the same usage.

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 month ago

#LandOfTheFree

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's what the majority of white voters want

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This is just a continuation of the current indoctrination system. For example, they don't teach about the founding slavers either. Everything is a whitewash.

A culture that is founded on racist delusions and fantasies is not capable of teaching accurate history.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Can't have those uppity workers understanding what you're trying to inflict upon them...

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Those of you with some knowledge and basic video capabilities might consider doubling down on youtube, and using your channel to pimp other video platforms like peertube in case of youtube censorship.

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[–] Pofski@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (41 children)
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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Why? The repugs have been nothing but a constant clown show for the last 20 years. Its only going to get more ludicrously insane now that there are more of them on the rolls

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Try out the new America!!! Same shit taste, but now with even more racism!!!!

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