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[–] filister@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago

I guess in the next 4 years Israel will show its true face.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 13 points 11 hours ago

That is pathetic and shame on the SPD. A murderer is a murderer and I do not give a shit about their religious background and history. I refuse to vote for the AfD and Linke, but sometimes the SPD pisses me off.

[–] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 17 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Because of nostalgia then?

[–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Germany sure does love their genocides.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 1 points 50 minutes ago* (last edited 50 minutes ago)

So sick of this comment. They don't do this because they like genocide, the problem is unwavering loyalty to Israel

[–] MaxPow3r11@lemmy.world 14 points 13 hours ago

uh...

excuse me but...

WHAT THE GOD DAMN FUCK?

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 55 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

As a German, this seems like a cruel joke to me - "Because of our Nazi history, we are committed to protecting against an ICC warrant the person currently performing a genocide, establishing camps to "concentrate" refugees and then even bombing said camps".

Fuck our government. This is about a war criminal and in my opinion it's absolutely furthering antisemitism to allow the Israeli government to continue these atrocities. The best way to reduce antisemitism is to have the Israeli government commit less atrocities.

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 16 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah they took the wrong lesson from ww2. Its not about jewish people and antisemitists, its about innocent people and people who commit genocides. Both jewish people and non-jews can be genociders and innocent people.

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago

it is sad that this even needs to be said... Fully agreed..

[–] Shotgun_Alice@lemmy.world 18 points 15 hours ago

This I would say shows that they actually learned nothing from that experience. If there was anyone in the international community that should arrest yahu on the spot it's Germany. I'm curious did Germany extend the same to the Hamas leader the ICC put a warrant out on? otherwise I'd say they're guilty of playing favourites. Lets go one further, how about Putin? Is it only b/c he is Jewish? then that's just discrimination.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 14 points 17 hours ago

And its Nazi present, apparently Great move using the Holocaust to justify another genocide though. Really shows how much was learnt there.

[–] sozesoze@lemmy.world 15 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

My guess is that they are saying this because in September 2023 they made a deal with Israel to buy their missile defense system. Instead of buying a European version with the French mind you, but that's a whole other stupid fucking can of worms.

Well, October 2023 passed by and then it got a bit trickier over time to support Israel. But besides demands to maintain humanitarian care for Gazans, my government has done nothing of substance to stop supporting Israel. It is beyond shameful, this decision will haunt us in the future when Israel inevitably loses its position and we have to answer why we are so stupid to buy from Israeli right wing extremists (and the US) to begin with instead of starting EU projects if we have to. Not to mention the biggest thing, supporting open genocide.

We always talk big about EU stronk, but I can't help to sympathize with the French (and other EU govs) when they are pissed at my country. We have taken the call every time the US wants something instead of considering European interests plus have run austerity for 20 years now in every government in the time period. We have a real knack for getting ourselves into a dependency of big powers, even Russia with their gas. We lack any vision how to fix our problems and build a strong European union while being the biggest member. Meanwhile the right builds it's own vision, fortress europe. Thanks Merkel, thanks Scholz, you're really good at managing.

All this to say my government sucks because they won't arrest Bibi. Fuck that guy and frankly fuck Israel for committing a genocide. Thank you for listening to my Ted talk.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago

How ridiculous is it to rely an army on a missile system from a colony which Germany needs to kiss the floor for? If they can't even count on Israel to deliver the weapons unless they support their war crimes what is the point of relying on that.

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 9 points 18 hours ago

Arresting one man and arresting millions as slave labor and then gassing them are two very different things.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 8 points 18 hours ago

I can see their point but it's a bad comparison. This seems to me to basically be a PR decision. I don't know how much was backing Netanyahu before, but I think it would be a better look if they arrested him to stop the genocide.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 8 points 18 hours ago

"We wont arrest Netanyahu because of our Nazi History, and the fact that it warms our blood to see a faithful brother of the Reich rise up and continue Hitlers work. Sieg Heil, Netanyahu!"

[–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 5 points 17 hours ago

Ah...so they're continuing with their support of the evil... They learned nothing... Are we sure they aren't Democrats?

[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 177 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No one told me that Jews have a crime pass in Germany. I need to start planning cooler vacations.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 107 points 1 day ago (16 children)

If you are an anti-zionist Jew in Germany you'll face a brunt of repressions. German "anti antisemitism" comissioners even go as far as calling anti-zionist Jews "allegedly jewish", thereby deciding who are "good" and "bad" Jews.

[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 72 points 1 day ago

Ah yes Germans judging how Jewish people are for....reasons. Never change Dooshland

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago (1 children)

New plan, convert to Judaism, move to Germany, rob a bank, and get away Scott free.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 17 points 1 day ago

No, no. This only works if you commit a genocide.

Move to Germany and slaughter everyone in AfD

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wink 😉! C'mon fool, c'mon over to Germany! You won't be arrested because of our history which doesn't relate to anything you might be doing currently...

[–] sozesoze@lemmy.world 8 points 18 hours ago

I'd wish this was ploy, but frankly they just lack any back bone...

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 105 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Are they saying they're choosing to continue that history?

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

As they have since the Namibia Genocide which gets conveniently swept under the rug

[–] MrNesser@lemmy.world 64 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Since when is a religion a defense against war crimes

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 86 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Since religion was invented.

[–] SidewaysHighways@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

👩‍🚀 🔫 👩‍🚀

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago

Game recognizes game.

Former genocidaire recognizes current genocidaire.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 49 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Unfortunately international media is not capturing the gravity of the German government winding around and refusing to say they abide by the ICC decision.

Here is todays gov. press conference in German. Maybe Youtube provides auto-translation. I think the faces and the way they talk can be understood even without knowing German.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=NRl3X5nN4R4

[–] dlatch@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's incredible how they can say nothing while speaking for 30 minutes. Gotta appreciate the very critical press though, refreshing to see. Where I live the press will ask what they had for lunch and then leave it at that.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Oh they've elevated it to an art form. They did actually say quite a lot while saying so little though, always pay close attention to what they're comfortable talking about (such as Germany's stance towards the ICC and the rule of law) vs. what they're not comfortable talking about (what that stance implies, concretely, in this situation). If you think that's unsatisfactory then they will, I quote, take notice of that, but they won't humour you and spell out what can be inferred so you (or rather press) have a soundbite that would cause the foreign service diplomatic headaches.

And, yes, the journalists have also elevated making them squirm to an art form, to make sure that the interviewed officials don't waffle when it is merely convenient, not expedient (at least according to the officials). Also of note the conference is run by journalists, not officials.

[–] procrastitron@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Thanks for linking to the video. There is an auto translate option for it buried deep in the CC settings (at least there was for me).

My impression that I was left with is that the guy speaking is basically panicking because he doesn’t want to look bad.

My reaction is “Good. Let the bastards squirm!”

The German government has gone out of their way to silence any opposition to genocide. Fear of looking like a Nazi is the closest they will come to self awareness.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 day ago

The Nazis killed more Russians than Jews. Does that mean you would also not arrest Putin?

If you want to pull out of the Rome Statute, just do that, motherfuckers, and spare us the lecture.

Otherwise, fuck you and the high horse you rode in on.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 22 points 1 day ago

While it is probably true that he won't get arrested, the headline is quite misleading: they're currently avoiding to answer the question, because the German also has a historical responsibility to adhere to the ICJ.

They want to enable Israeli imperialism while not looking like they didn't learn anything from being the reason the ICJ exists.

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