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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 14 hours ago

And if i have to pretend that your ass looks good for you to feel good about your ass, your ass doesn’t look good.

Now let’s get past the idea that relationships don’t involve theater for our partner’s benefit.

[–] Trekman10@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Just waiting for the day when someone can explain to me what makes a man a man without describing skills, qualities, and actions that anyone can do regardless of gender.

And don't tell me it's "have a penis", because if that were true then effeminate men wouldn't be insulted all the time for not being "real" men, and there wouldn't be toxic masculinity.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm a man because I say I'm a man and fuck anyone who tells me otherwise.

And that applies to anyone with any gender. Because it's not about anyone but that person.

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Otherwise

Now fuck me please

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I never said I would be doing the fucking.

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[–] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

A featherless biped or a miserable little pile of secrets, take your pick.

[–] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

Same question for women. Gender is only useful insofar as we decide it is. We have an inherent nature to categorize and differentiate, and in some cases that makes a lot of sense, but outside of strictly biological facts, that distinction between genders is nebulous at best.

Like religion, gender identity is personal, even if it stems from society. No two people will share the same opinion, it'd probably be weird if they did, and as long as they're not using their opinion as basis for fact, do whatever you want, man woman or anyone in between, outside, or around the spectrum.

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[–] 4grams@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I’ve always thought the least manly quality you can have is caring about how manly you are.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 days ago (3 children)

From somebody named "geekandmisandry".

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

That just shows you how impartial they are to the whole thing

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[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I've never heard anyone say that phrase, is it possible that people use that expression to mean "a man likes to feel like a man... not a machine"? Ie he has thoughts, emotions, and priorities. He is not a commodity, his worth is more than just profit he can produce.

Not that women don't also have those attributes, just that "man" is being used as an outdated shorthand for humanity.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's hard to tell from the context, but it felt to me more like something a right-wing guy with really unrealistic expectations says to their soon to be ex-girlfriend (or possibly to the fiance in the marriage the church arranged) about how they need to be the one in charge.

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 2 points 14 hours ago

Yeah I think we should believe that the witness correctly interpreted the meaning in the given context, but we shouldn't assume that everyone that says it means it like that. It's context dependant.

[–] abysmalpoptart@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

I'm not sure how i feel about the post altogether. I mean, i understand that toxic masculinity is bad, but this post needs some assumptions and context to make me want to side with it. For example, if I saw some guy just kinda minding his business doing silly guy stuff and the context was he wants to "feel like a man," i don't think i would be offended or concerned?

r/justguysbeingdudes comes to mind

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've heard this one before from my conservative grandma, It's when a girl is doing something manly that the guy ""should"" be doing. Like if a girl is carrying in all the groceries while a guy is just watching someone would say "let [guy] do it, he's supposed to feel like a man"

This came up a lot as my sister is very much a 'do it yourself' kinda gal whereas her (now ex) boyfriend wasn't much of an initiative taker.

It's not about a guy not doing manly things, it's about stopping women from doing manly things.
(also note I'm using 'manly' in the stereotypical terms, not how I personally see them)

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[–] pancakes@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I thought "feeling like a man" meant eating a lot of meat and losing money on sports betting.

Idk I don't do traditional man things.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Most 'man' things make me feel awkward and uncomfortable. Even when I was a kid. Other boys would wrestle and push each other around and stuff and I was like, "yeah, don't involve me in this."

And yet I have never been insecure about my gender. I'm fine being a man who isn't "traditionally" male.

I don't even own one flannel shirt.

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

I do do traditional man things: woodworking, maintenance on the family vehicles, and I’ve been thinking of getting into machining as a hobby because I have a lot of hand-me-down yard equipment that’s showing its age and I might need to start making my own parts because eBay is looking kind of barren.

Anyway, none of these activities have ever made me feel “manly” I never understood what that means. I feel like myself doing either something I enjoy, or something that needs to be done. My wife always says that she likes that she married such a manly guy who can fix all this stuff and make furniture, but anyone with functioning hands and a brain can do this stuff, it’s not exactly hard. Having a penis doesn’t make you an expert carpenter or mediocre mechanic, working with wood and old engines does that.

[–] Trekman10@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I know you're joking, but I don't get people who unironically think like this. Like whats preventing a woman from eating lots of meat and losing money on sports betting? Like what physical barrier prevents them from doing that? None.

So how could that define manhood?

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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 147 points 2 days ago (5 children)

How to really feel like a man

  1. Ignore gender wars bait, there are way more important things out there.
  2. See step 1
[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 55 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Yeah, first time hearing "a man wants to feel like a man"

My first interpretation was a bunch of guys fighting with sticks and everyone having a blast

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

There are fun casual LARP or Nerf groups all over the place. Most of them would love to have more people coming out to the park on the weekend. Bring friends, or make some while you're there!

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[–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 169 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Strong people build others up. Weak people knock them down to feel big. You want to feel like a strong man? Protect others and be generous with your spirit.

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[–] 31337@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Is this a real thing? I don't believe I've ever encountered this. I suspect they're actually being demeaning to men in general, or men who don't fit their idea of masculinity. I've encountered people like that. Though the opposite is more common (men, and women, demeaning women who don't fit their idea of what a woman should be like, or just demeaning women in general).

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[–] Mango@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Did the first person just translate "like a man" as "superior to you"? They done failed their own little word game.

[–] unbanshee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Only if you're completely unwilling to unpack what things like "be a man" and "like a man" generally mean in the anglosphere, and how phrases like that have often been employed to reinforce the worst and most destructive aspects of masculinity.

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[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

When first reading "a man likes to feel like a man", i thought it was about trans men

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[–] Zink@programming.dev 9 points 2 days ago

This whole “like a man” thing sounds to me like an extension of the toxic cultural BS where “men” are not just humans with emotions and needs like every other human. It reeks of men who are too scared or ignorant to be self-aware and figure out what life really means to them, and thus they need the people around them (especially the partners) to play along in their power/masculinity fantasy.

What a man needs is to realize he’s just another human, and that for humans happiness and fulfillment can ultimately only come from within. Relationships with others are crucial, and you might even need some medication to get your brain chemistry unfucked, but neither of those are independently going to make you happy with yourself and “feel like a man.”

“A man” can refer to roughly half the adult population. It’s not exactly an exclusive club. Why not leave gender out if it and try to be “a good person” and see where that gets you?

Having the people around you walking on eggshells to keep your manly ego intact, whether it’s out of fear or pity, is the exact opposite of what a good person should strive for. What if the people around you instead trust you, feel safe with you, laugh with you, and are better off with you in their lives?

Source: Am man. Went through some stuff. Figured some things out. Made some things better. Have wife and child who enjoy life.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That's the perfect answer, IMHO.

More in general, it's not up to others to change the way they act to feed somebody else's self-delusions of having some kind of quality they do not have.

I've actually had to deal with something somewhat parallel to this when I moved from The Netherlands (whose people are known for being blunt) to Britain (were everything is sugarcoated and people are evasive, the higher the social class the worst it gets) and then proceeded to go around unknowingly insulting just about every insecure person I met in that place by giving them my blunt opinion on what they cared about, without evasiveness or sugarcoating.

The balance I found was to stop giving my opinion unless asked and if asked by somebody who didn't know my ways yet, give them a notice ("I used to live in The Netherlands so just point out ways in which things can be improved, but that doesn't mean I think they're bad") and then proceed to give them my blunt opinion.

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