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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 299 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Guy whose cars run into stopped fire trucks thinks he’s an expert on computer vision.

[–] MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@fedia.io 106 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Someone died because one of those cars thought the broadside of a white semi trailer was the sky and drove under it

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[–] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 54 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

But was it a "stealthy" fire truck??

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 22 points 3 weeks ago

Yes, but the car only had enough low-light cameras but not enough rudimentary AI

[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 33 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Speaking of fire trucks has anyone here ever read the emergency response procedures for teslas in severe accidents? When I was a volunteer we gave it a look over.

If I remember right, Depending on the model they recommend up to 8,000 gallons (~30k liters) to keep an overheating battery's temp stable in case of fire or exposure to high heat. I'll link the resource page here.

Our engine holds 700 gallons (5.2k liters) and the typical tanker in our area holds 2,000 (7.5k liters)

That's a house fire level response for a single electric vehicle. Just getting that much water moved to a scene would be challenging. We have tankers, but how many city departments can move that much water? You don't see hydrants on highways. And foam is not effective like it is for normal car fires. The future will be interesting for firefighters.

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 23 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

I found a link on how the Austrian fire workeres handle this. The fire is extinguished first, then the remainders of the car are put into a special roll-off container (Abrollbehälter, AB) and driven to a gravel pit, where the container will be flooded with 21000 litres of water.

https://www.feuerwehrmagazin.de/nachrichten/news/elektroauto-in-flammen-einsatz-fuer-den-abrollbehaelter-e-brand-93315

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[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 weeks ago

It is especially important to understand that Tesla's struggles with navigation are entirely a result of Elon refusing to equip them with LiDAR. This isn't some "The tech is really new and really complicated and we're still figuring it out" problem. There is a very good solution to most collision avoidance scenarios, but Elon refuses to let them use it because he's an idiot.

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[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 171 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

For those doing the maths at home:

An F35 who obligingly flies top-towards-you (not exactly something you can do, but hey, maybe they're turning) is all of 10m tall.

An AIM-120C can very comfortably hit a target at 100km.

At that range, the F-35 takes up 26 arcseconds, or 0.007 degrees. That's roughly about the size of this period, at a distance of 3 meters away.

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Good luck spotting that in a sky of roughly the same colour, full of other objects.

[–] jimbolauski@lemm.ee 78 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You can place cameras anywhere, they don't need to be right next to what is being targeted. Nearer ranges will allow AI to misidentify at much higher rates than max standoff ranges of an AIM-120C.

[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 48 points 3 weeks ago

I don’t think you were getting enough credit for ‘misidentify’.

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 47 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Pffffffff

I can see that bright white dot against the dark mode background on my maximum brightness screen with ease! Therefore your argument is invalid!

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago

"I said AI sir!"

[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah but what about the AI? Have you thought about the AI that would be running it, which never misses, and would totally be a useful existing thing? 😉

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[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Just for reference: JWST has an optical resolution of 0.07 arcseconds. It’s a mirror 22 feet in diameter though, not something you’d put inside a missile guidance package.

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[–] Tja@programming.dev 153 points 3 weeks ago

Sir, our air defence is down!

Is it hackers?

No sir, it's cloudy.

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 146 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

If a fighter jet is within visual range of a camera, it's already too late. And that's if there aren't any clouds.

[–] Slab_Bulkhead@lemmy.world 66 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

your not thinking like a musk, not if the government pays the subscription and contract for his early warning camera drone balloon swarm thing or something something they could run on ketamine or something.

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[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 95 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

His fucking obsession with computer vision. He’s so convinced he’s right he forgot that clouds exist… and his cars plow straight into obstacles.

[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 32 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, the "lidar is useless" guy whose cars are consistently crashing into things when visibility is bad is telling us that he can do the same thing with missile targeting systems... Sounds like a great idea

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[–] Somethingcheezie@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 28 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

And that a plane at altitude is too small for wide field cameras which means scanning the sky with narrow fov detectors.

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[–] jewbacca117@lemmy.world 82 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

someone tell ellen about beyond visual range

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 46 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 73 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That fucker really thinks he's so smart when all he does is constantly demonstrate what an idiot he is.

[–] 1SimpleTailor@startrek.website 29 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

His rise really is symbolic of the rot that has taken hold of our society. Truly, our most degenerate moron has risen to the top of the shit pile.

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[–] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 71 points 3 weeks ago

Elon Musk is an idiot

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 70 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Says the guy that produces AND designed the cyber truck

[–] slurpeesoforion@startrek.website 29 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Look. Just because people hope to not see it and actively avoid looking in the general direction of, does not make the cyber truck invisible.

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[–] centipede_powder@lemmy.world 65 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"It a shit design" is rich coming from the guy whos company can't get panels to line up on a car.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 36 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

"It's a shit design" Says the man responsible for this:

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[–] wizzor@sopuli.xyz 55 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Also... Fighters are fast, the point is you should fire the missile before you see it.

[–] Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 52 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The f-35 is built for engagements outside the horizon, like, the target is blocked by the curvature of the earth.

Light sensitive cameras and rudimentary AI..

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[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 50 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Looks like being rich and surrounding yourself with yes-people is the #1 cause of sitting confidently at the top of the Dunning-Krueger curve.

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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 46 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Can't these things aerosolize you from beyond the fucking horizon? How helpful are those AI powered low light cameras when they're phase transitioned by a missile launched from a hundred miles away?

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

You'd need a camera network spanning the entire battlefield. And it'd need telephoto lenses at the very least, because stealth fighters are high and small. And it'd need to stay connected after an initial missile exchange.

I don't buy for a moment that nobody in the Pentagon has thought of this, and explained why it's not a dealbreaker in a classified report.

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[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

"laughably easy to take down fighter jets"

yeah all you have to do is ban the kid running the elon jet twitter. Seems easy enough to me.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 39 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Let me guess, he's got an alternative to sell?

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[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 37 points 3 weeks ago

"Théoden no longer recognizes friend from foe. Not even his own kin. Saruman has poisoned the mind of the king and claimed lordship over this land. My company are those loyal to Rohan. And for that, we are banished." - Èomer, The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 34 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Jesus christ ... this dude is a fucking moron... if it WAS easy defense companies would be doing it already... and guess what, they aren't. Between this dickhead and Captain Brainworm the next four years are gonna SUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKK!!!

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[–] LANIK2000@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago

He's just a dumb attention seeker. Of course he's gonna shit on the most over-engineered thing in existence. Tho the context of the shitty engineering his companies do makes this even funnier. What a loser.

[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 29 points 3 weeks ago

TONY STARK WAS ABLE TO BUILD THIS WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS, ELON.

IN A CAVE YOU FUCKING INBRED. A CAVE!!!

[–] Phoeniqz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 3 weeks ago
[–] ddplf@szmer.info 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

MUH AY-EI

Did he replace his brain with AI already? Because it sure fucking looks like it.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

He has always been this stupid.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Just use multiple nuclear power plants to power an AI that constantly scans the sky.

Are we sure he's not an NCD poster?

Edit to add - Musk unlocked the achievement, personal enemy of the DoD and entire defense industry. I'm getting popcorn for this.

[–] don@lemm.ee 23 points 3 weeks ago

Dude’s brain is shit design and fucking sucks, actually

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 weeks ago

What a fucking loser

[–] Antiproton@programming.dev 20 points 3 weeks ago

He isn't smart. He's just a narcissist that lives deep in the warm embrace of Dunning-Kuger

[–] Kowowow@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 weeks ago

Mr richest man on earth with tesla and space x doesn't even have an electric private jet

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

In the long term maybe he has a point. In the short term the other guys are often using a radar built in 1985 and displaying to a ray tube.

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