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[–] nifty@lemmy.world -4 points 57 minutes ago* (last edited 55 minutes ago) (3 children)

People are collectively losing their minds if their think any western country is anywhere near fascism. Have you lived in Russia or North Korea?

Western nations are losing the psyops war, which is what you see in a lot of countries.

The main problem is that our representatives and elected officials are just as likely to believe emotional propaganda as any regular person.

This is why we need better public education, so the general population, including any elected official, has better critical thinking.

[–] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 5 points 21 minutes ago

We've normalized mass surveillance. Local police have full, warrantless access to your travel habits from licence plate cameras. I can buy all of the data on you and find your political ideology. People are prosecuted for their political beliefs and actions every day.

[–] DeadWorldWalking@lemmy.world 6 points 34 minutes ago

I'm pretty sure moving into a administration who plans on mass deportations requiring holding camps, literal work camps for the mentally ill, and the degradation of regulations/rights are all clear signs we are moving in that direction.

I mean come on man, Trump couldn't have his first pick for AG be approved because he said "We will drag the bodies of our political opponents through the streets" he said that, and that was Trump's first choice for the most powerful prosecutor in the country.

When the fascists show us who they are WE SHOULD BELIEVE THEM!

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 4 points 28 minutes ago

Without reference to other nations and countries, what elements of fascism do you believe are missing that makes the label inaccurate or inappropriate

[–] tibi@lemmy.world 16 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

In the Romanian presidential elections we just had, we have a fascist extreme right-wing candidate who got 1st place (note that we have a 2 round election system and this was only the first round). He appeared out of nowhere with a TikTok campaign, he didn't have a traditional ad campaign, he didn't participate in any debates, a lot of people who don't use TikTok haven't even heard about him. We will know in 2 weeks if we become fascist or not.

There are 2 problems. First is the hybrid war going on. The western world needs to do better. Ban TikTok and take drastic measures to limit the spread of misinformation and propaganda on social media.

The second big problem is that western leaders are ignoring the real problems affecting average people. The out of control immigration (the problem isn't with the people immigrating, but with a system unable to integrate them into the rest of the society), rising costs, unaffordable housing, huge tax burden are real problems that aren't being addressed. People are rightfully angry with the current leaders and are looking for alternatives. But most people aren't very smart or care enough about politics, so they are easy prey to propaganda and extremist groups that are calling out these problems.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

A hopeful/sustainable country can tolerate immigration. Higher birth rates requires affordability of having children, and immigration fills the lower ranks of the power/labour hierarchy while permitting more affordability to natives who might have better access to education.

Societies that corruptly subjugate themselves to a hedgemon that inflicts war and climate destruction against people it teaches you to hate, but who also emigrate to your society, creates conflict that will deflect from the hate your hegemon wants your natives to internalize.

When a society does not feel being on the verge of collapse, investing in education and immigration is worth it. Future benefits of growth and prosperity will result. Right, center, left governments everywhere are corruptly managing collapse. The only countries doing well economically are those who are not subjecting themselves to US hegemony, and pursuing independence. Most of these countries get labeled as fascist by the deeply subjugated and their hedgemon.

The propaganda of hate is global, even if targeted domestically. The propaganda of hedgemonic subjugation is also global, but the collapsing corruption that is supported, helps hate win.

When your society has chosen total subjugated marriage/alliance to the US, Trump comes along to tell you what a worthless undevoted parasite you are, and the likely response from your leaders will be to destroy your country further, and enable fascism to gain traction, even if the fascist wing can distract from the collapsing subjugation to continue the subjugation.

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 19 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Mexican here. Last month, a reporter known for being critical of the government was fired live in the middle of his segment. We're definitely going fascist.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 27 minutes ago

Do you know of any English coverage? That's very interesting

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, this is a strangely euro-centric viewing. It needs to include so many more places. Russia is a big one that's missing, for another example, and there are a ton more. We're in bad economic times, which is where Fascists thrive. On the good side, leftists can also take advantage of it to actually help people if they succeed.

[–] DrDickHandler@lemmy.world 10 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

We're only in bad economic time because the wealthy elites and corporation gobbled up everything away from the public, which makes it even more sad.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Yes, but it's bad for everyone but them. The reason doesn't really matter. It's the same as always. It's mostly the same conditions that led to the last rise in fascism.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 26 minutes ago

No, the reason absolutely does matter. If we were all suffering because of a global drought, that would be entirely different than all of us starving and going homeless at the peak of human production.

[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 20 points 8 hours ago (5 children)

Among the ones not going fascist north Korea, Russia, Eritrea, China, Syria, Iran…

Among the ones going fascist New Zealand, Canada, Switzerland, Ireland, Denmark…..

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 4 points 55 minutes ago

Among the ones not going fascist north Korea, Russia, Eritrea, China, Syria, Iran…

They're not going, because they're already there.

[–] swag_money@lemmy.world 1 points 29 minutes ago

next year Canada is going to elect a dumb fuck crypto bro. we're definitely following the far-right populist 'wave' and we're not far from fascism :p

[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Just more anti-western propaganda, welcome to Lemmy.

[–] DeadWorldWalking@lemmy.world 1 points 26 minutes ago

Wow look at the brain on this guy

Real big thinker here

[–] starchylemming@lemmy.world 12 points 3 hours ago

technically , you are not going anywhere once you arrived at the destination

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 7 points 7 hours ago

You're correct, it's innaccurate to not portray the entire world as descending into fascism, as has always been predicted on any path that embraces capitalism.

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 16 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

India and China are missing. Japan is pretty fascist too... at least when compared to European "fascist" countries marked in the map.

Apart from that... the amount of fascism is too damn high!

[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Is Japan "going" or just sitting roughly where it's been for decades? I don't know enough about Japanese politics but it doesn't seem from my perspective like it moves fast.

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

In my experience polite, but roughly as racist as the "old white racist/sexist man" - trope.

I think it's still a lot like in the 80s. The golden era of Japan. Maybe this is related.

[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

As they say, Japan has been living in the year 2000 since 1980

[–] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 7 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Thanks to putin and his psyops war

[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago

Its certainly a key part of it

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 14 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago (2 children)
[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago
[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 1 points 9 hours ago

I wonder if Greenland would go fascist if they started having issues with immigrants.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 13 points 11 hours ago

Canada's not fascist yet. We're electing our own Vance in a few months, so save your sympathy for us then.

Apparently the Corporation has been able to convince people - as they've tried from the start - that Hair Guy is somehow worse than them. They haven't actually put forth a platform with any numbers or promises on it, but "hair guy bad" has finally found an audience so dumb to swallow it.

[–] Delphia@lemmy.world 19 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Australia is facist now?

Fuck guess I missed it, was outside all day too.

[–] finderscult@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 hours ago

You guys are seriously arguing for a ministry of truth.

[–] TassieTosser@aussie.zone 5 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Eh, we find that out next year if the cookers are stupid enough to vote Dutto in.

[–] DrDickHandler@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Oh, they are.

[–] goodthanks@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

It's not just the cookers. It's also the media illiterate and unengaged. I'm constantly shocked at how insular our population is. It feels like a ticking time bomb.

[–] apocalypticat@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (5 children)

Please remove Quebec from that map, we’re definitely not going fascists!

I'm not sure I call banning hijabs in all public service roles in the name of "secularism" isn't a great start...

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/here-s-how-people-are-reacting-after-bill-21-was-upheld-by-the-quebec-court-of-appeal-1.6789650

[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 0 points 3 hours ago

The way you handled protesting truckers was definitely fascist

[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 3 points 9 hours ago

Why would they remove Quebec? Quebec doesn't matter here much more than the Bay Area, Catalonia, Sami land or Ulster.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I wish your neighbours were smarter ;(

[–] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 hours ago
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