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Summary

Russia’s ruble has plunged to its lowest level since March 2022 following new U.S. sanctions on Gazprombank, a key platform for energy payments.

The ruble’s slide, driven by sanctions, falling oil prices, and soaring defense spending, has intensified inflation and strained the war economy.

While the Kremlin benefits from a weaker ruble by converting foreign revenues into more domestic currency, experts warn of overheating risks and financial instability.

The Russian central bank is scrambling for solutions, but long-term economic pressures and declining oil revenues pose significant challenges.

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[–] whithom@discuss.online 150 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Ruble in rubble, rocks Russia

Come on people, write good headlines.

[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 67 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Instead, in 2024

Russia in panic as US sanctions SLAAAAAAMS ruble

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Russian bankers HATE this one simple trick!

[–] Tuxman@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 weeks ago

Hot Ruble stuck in dishwasher RAVAGED by US step-sanctions

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[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

That gave me a heartfelt pang of yearning for the good timeline.

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[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago

You won't believe what happened to the ruble!

[–] Boxscape@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 3 weeks ago

Ruble in rubble

Get Basher on the horn!

[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 145 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

i'm no fan of american imperialism, and also with an economy about as big as the state of new york, america acting on russia is not exactly "picking on somebody your own size" ... but, passively observing the machinations of two monstrous beasts neither of which i have the ability to influence let alone control, it's hard to feel bad for russia right now. all they had to do was leave ukraine the fuck alone. all they had to do was STAY HOME. I hope they find out enough to realize that fucking around was a mistake.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 27 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

On the other hand, Putin doesn't seem to care much about the suffering of his own people, which is what's happening here. It's the people, many of which are innocent, who suffer. Putin and his people are safe and warm with plenty of Euros and Dollars to spend.

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Then the people need to do something. They elected Putin. They tolerate Putin. This is their mess and they've done nothing to escape it.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 10 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

That's the same as saying Americans need to do something about Trump. They elected him and need to deal with the mess. Easier said than done.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

The picture clarifies a bit more when you realize Russia's economy was already going down because of sanctions from the 2014 Crimean invasion. Which they did in direct response to the people of Ukraine rejecting Russia. They wanted to control Ukraine in the first place (like Belarus) because they believe two things. They have a right to a sphere of influence in their "near abroad" and controlling those countries is critical to their self defense. It would be like the US deciding Mexico and Canada must be puppets in order to defend themselves.

So with their economy circling the drain because of their pre-existing beliefs the invasion of Ukraine became an economic imperative. They actually thought it would be like Crimea again. The first wave of troops actually had parade uniforms packed. So the plan was very obviously to use Ukraine's rising economy to bolster their own and achieve another buffer state.

Now the goal has necessarily changed. It's survival for Putin and his group. When they failed that embarrassingly they couldn't back down. They've propagandized this as an existential fight for people in Eastern Ukraine who want to be or already are Russian. So they cannot easily give up. This is why Putin keeps saying they control the districts of Donetsk and Luhansk even though they don't control the entirety of the districts. He's been messaging for about a year now that he's willing to end this if they let him keep what he has and don't object too loudly when he tells his people he got the entirety of both districts.

So basically, Putin realized it was a mistake on the day they had to retreat from Kyiv. Ever since then he's been furiously looking for an exit that doesn't involve him being deposed by the oligarchs.

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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I don't know why you're speaking in the past-tense. Putin and the oligarchs can still stop the damage to the Russian economy, the lives being pointlessly spent, as well as the senseless damage to Ukraine... It all could end the very moment you read this. All they have to do is GTFO, return all prisoners/property/children they stole, and pay Ukraine reparations for the war crimes they committed. Definitely still cheaper in the long run...

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[–] Breve@pawb.social 113 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Watch how quickly cheeto man lifts the sanctions when he takes office. Bet it's a day one agenda item.

[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Or Russia will collapse before he can save them, Putin gets executed, then Trump takes the credit.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That is the shittiest win, but still...

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 97 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

If only they could do something about it like not invade another country and get those sanctions lifted.

Of course in January, they won't have to worry about that.

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 35 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I don't think it will matter. I might be wrong but once hyper inflation sets in I think you are fucked and it's years to dig out even to stability.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 38 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It only took Weimar Germany 3 or 4 years to fix the hyperinflation problem, but it also made people seriously distrust the government and when the next economic crisis hit (The Great Depression), Hitler was able to use the fears of the populace to rise into power.

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Good news then!

They've had their version of Hitler for years!

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 46 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

That's the Russian National Motto!

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[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 59 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

In the end, all wars are economic.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 31 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

No, just most. War is the continuation of politics by different means, and political desires are quite often, but definitely not always, economical. Rome razed Carthage because of the economics of empires in the Mediterranean, yes, but Charlemagne didn't genocide Old Saxony for its economic output, but religious fervour and autocratic arrogance (the whole one god one pope one king thing).

[–] geissi@feddit.org 17 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I think what they meant was that all wars need to be supported by the economy.
It's not enough to have soldiers, you also have to supply and feed them.

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[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

At least most. Storage Wars is another good example of this. Not sure about Star Wars, though.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Have you forgotten that the drama of the 'first' episode starts with an exciting ... trade blockade?

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 9 points 3 weeks ago

Negotiations were short.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 7 points 3 weeks ago

In the beginning, too. Russia originally invaded because they want to control Crimea and more Black Sea coast and ports. And all that farmland in Ukraine too

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[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 51 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Non sensationalist version: the ruble has steadily dropped about 10% in value vs the euro over the course of the last ~4-5 months

Yes, your currency dropping 10% in value over just 4 months is serious, it is also not sudden panic inducing collapse.

UPDATE: The article doesn't give this data but more recent data suggests that there is some major sudden fluctuations over the last week, possibly will become another significant sustained drop in the ruble.

[–] Undearius@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 weeks ago

Thank you. This headline sounds exactly like the way the other side would be criticised for wording it, very propoganda-like.

[–] Korne127@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Saying +10% in about four months is technically correct, but very misleading

[–] GiveMemes@jlai.lu 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is an unlabeled graph and ambiguous comment. What are you saying? That the ruble is doing better than he is claiming compared to the euro, or worse?

[–] Korne127@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

The main part of the change happened in just a few days - weeks, and not over four months.

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[–] Trail@lemmy.world 42 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

In this case it should probably classify as "offense spending" rather than defense.

[–] Vash63@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's true in almost call cases and is precisely the intent of doublespeak

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago

They just got to hold out another couple of months

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

That's pretty not-funny that in the last couple of years I put myself into an overwork mode to get into new positions and higher pay and while the numbers went up a lot, I only slightly upped what I can afford with the rise of prices. I'm afraid of thinking what those at the bottom of the ladder experience right now. Like, even public transit is $0,5, and if you have 5\2 that's $20 from an average $200-300 salary before paying rent\commodities that can eat another $100 or more.

Seems like I won't get Steam Deck anytime soon, the writing is on the wall. What a bummer. If anything, I'd like to have it to be distracted from all this daily bullshit.

[–] Hellinabucket@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I've almost doubled my salary in 5 years, I'm worse off financially due to the raise in everything else.

[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Seems like I won’t get Steam Deck anytime soon

You can save a lot by buying a lower model and swapping the SSD later; it will end up cheaper in total as well as immediately, which makes it almost a no-brainer. It's not as simple as a PC but it's still easy enough that if you've ever done it for a PC you will likely manage it. If you happen to live around the Ottawa/Gatineau area in Canada, I'll do the swap for you if you're not comfortable with it, you just need to supply the SSD (and I can give suggestions on that).

I don't know if any of that helps you at all but this is a realm I know well and I try to help where I can.

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