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[–] iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee 73 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Can we have the names in the headlines of which MPs keeps consistently putting this crap on the agenda multiple times every year for the last couple of decades?

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 6 points 2 weeks ago

I add my voice to this request. Cough up the names.

[–] Undertaker@feddit.org 53 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

To clarify: eMail, web chats, gaming chats, Signal, Threema and so on are affected as well

[–] eleitl@lemm.ee 22 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Self-hosted Matrix is obviously unaffected.

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You say this but Matrix is largely centralized so it would be easy to get the biggest node to comply. Servers are quite costly to run too which is a big problem.

[–] eleitl@lemm.ee 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Federated protocols are not centralized in principle. It might not scale to one user-one server (which probably even Lemmy can't handle) but if you're signing up for a central server, you're doing it wrong(tm). Don't do that. The nice thing about Matrix client is that it allows end to end encryption, including groups. So that greatly limits what Mallory can do in principle. As to servers being costly to run, given what documented Synapse requirements are, you're looking at less than 5 EUR/month for a single server. Which can be shared among several users, obviously. This is in the same range as costs for a monthly VPN.

[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

His point was the main Matrix.org server being way too prominent. In every given groupchat, chances are somebody is on this particular server. It is also the default for many clients.

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

The default links many folks/projects share specifically log you into Element & on Matrix.org as well which advertizes more folks to be on that centralized node. Furthermore, Matrix provides hosting for some of the other big servers as well even if they are not using matrix.org in the address.

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[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

Synapse boasts about 50,000 concurrent users on a node. Ejabberd has been tuned to 2,000,000 concurrent users which shows how efficient & scalable the setup can be. €5/mo is a lot for many folks.

[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Monero-paid VPSes cost more, and given this fact, my €5 VPS (with a few other services already running there) would apparently not be enough for Synapse... But an XMPP server runs perfectly.

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[–] bloubz@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

This is why Matrix is infinitely better than Signal. This and not having been funded by the CIA through Radio Free Asia. Even with weaker architecture

[–] airikr@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Self-hosted XMPP using OMEMO included? OMEMO are based on Signal, hence my question.

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

First I'd ever heard of OMEMO, thanks dude

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[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 27 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The americans seem to have figured out how to get change in relation to health insurance. Perhaps people might consider taking a page from the french history books to get some change on this issue.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

The same French of whom more than a third want an authoritarian strongman in power? Personally I would prefer to copy the handful of boring countries where people actually trust their leaders and so don't feel they need to resort to bloody revolution at the drop of a hat.

[–] Hiro8811@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Alright I want all farmers on a 30km range to join our next "peaceful" protest

[–] Manzas@lemdro.id 20 points 2 weeks ago

Why are they still thinking they can justify this? People which do illegal stuff are just going to use old apps self-host or bypass it with another way.

[–] Emberleaf@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They can't scan chats that don't exist. Time to make a switch, folks!

[–] Undertaker@feddit.org 7 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

A switch to what? To nothing?

[–] eleitl@lemm.ee 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Self hosting Matrix comes to mind. With deployment automation it's reasonably painless.

[–] prototype_g2@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You are severally over-estimating the computer skills of the general population. Here is some data on that.

[–] eleitl@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks. It's slightly worse than I thought. I'm kinda limited to communication with my small peer group, so I don't notice that other user classes exist.

[–] TheWolfOfSouthEnd@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Is that like a decentralised WhatsApp?

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

WhatsApp runs on unfederated XMPP; why not just run your own decentralized XMPP node?

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[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago

Its more similar to discord.

[–] eleitl@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago

It's a federated communication protocol and open source implementation thereof, including servers and clients.

https://matrix.org/docs/chat_basics/matrix-for-im/

What is it?

Matrix works a little like email, but instantaneous and secure:

You need to register an account at a provider Whatever your provider is, you can talk to people using other providers In the same way you can use Outlook or Thunderbird with the same email account, you can use different Matrix apps for the same Matrix account. Several apps exist, but we're going to go with Element for the sake of simplicity, as it's among the most fully-featured Matrix apps on the market.

Once you are more comfortable with the basics and if you want to use another app, head to the clients section of this website.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago

However they want to do it, it will undermine a key principle of democracy and a human right: the right to privacy and private communication.

[–] Dalaryous@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago

Those damn Chinese and their censorship... oh wait

[–] kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago

Just watched a video of Low level: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRATnT577Aw

Although this is about the US this is EXACTLY the shit that will happen to this whole chat scanning BS

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Some suggestions: Scan, Privacy, Control

[–] b34n5@hexbear.net 2 points 2 weeks ago

It is the definitive moment to change instant messaging application. I have switched to the XMPP protocol with clients like Gajim or Profanity. There are also applications for smartphones.

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