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This is a genuine question.

I have a hard time with this. My righteous side wants him to face an appropriate sentence, but my pessimistic side thinks this might have set a great example for CEOs to always maintain a level of humanity or face unforseen consequences.

P.S. this topic is highly controversial and I want actual opinions so let's be civil.

And if you're a mod, delete this if the post is inappropriate or if it gets too heated.

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[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Assuming they catch him, it's part of the process.

No matter how you cut it, no matter how much you agree with how actions, and whatever reason he may have had, murder isn't something that can be dismissed when it is an act of its own. It has to be prosecuted.

Now, you might notice that italics. When murder is done as part of war, it isn't murder any more, it's an enemy casualty, and isn't typically going to be prosecuted as murder.

If what the guy did is part of a bigger movement, and that movement ends up with enough changes, it might be treated as no different than a soldier shooting a target on a battlefield. I'm not saying there isn't a difference, I'm saying that if power shifts enough, the country changes enough, a killer becomes a hero.

If that's what it turns out to be, trying to prosecute it as murder would be a joke, a waste of time, so I wouldn't want it to happen.

But if it's just one dude grinding his own path for himself? Well, if it isn't prosecuted, it's as much a failure of the system as every decision the shitty CEO made and wasn't fired for. Two wrongs don't make a right on that scale. Tbh, a thousand wrongs for a good reason don't make a right, it just makes the problem a different scale, with different priorities.

The only difference between an insurrection and a revolution is success, in other words.

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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I'll buck the trend here.

Yes, I want him prosecuted. I want every single piece of evidence the cops have put out in public, and I want the public to see exactly how they traced him and caught him. I want people to see just how insidious the surveillance state is, and I want them to understand what kind of lengths they'll need to go to in order to avoid getting caught the next time.

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Yes of course he needs to be prosecuted.

I get that people hate insurance companies but at the end of the day this was a brutal and cold blooded murder.

As unhappy as we may be at the state of the world, the last thing anyone should want is for things to be determined by who has the gun and is willing to shoot.

Having said that though, maybe things are getting beyond the point of no return. Democracy in the US seems to be a joke, and the billionaire class have unfettered power. I worry we're on trajectory towards violent revolution.

The ambivelence and even open celebration of a shocking violent murder is a warning sign of how bad things are right now. Across the democratic world countries are devided and in flux because the political class is not listening to voters and in hoc to the billionaires.

Trump in the US will be a mess. But France and Germany are also in political flux. What we are lacking globally at the moment is an outlet for this mess or a solution. People seem to be divided and unable to coalesce around a solution to the problems. I worry that means more chaos and ultimately violemce to come.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago
[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago
[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@lemmy.today 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Makes sense if they were caught, the system would bring a case against them. But given the facts of the case, a reasonable jury should find them not guilty.

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[–] ZMoney@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'd like him to be eventually prosecuted, but chronologically. So prosecute every corporate murderer, every war criminal former president, every judge who sentenced innocent people to their deaths, etc. Prosecute all of the murderers who are currently free, and when you're done with all of them, you can prosecute this guy.

[–] thawed_caveman@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (11 children)

I want to live in civilization and i enjoy its benefits, so no, i can't go around saying someone should be acquitted because the crime was based. We've collectively agreed to put the law above our feelings, that's a good thing, i wish it was done more, so i'm doing my part and preparing to send him cigarettes in prison.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

We’ve collectively agreed to put the law above

I don't remember agreeing to these laws. I break the dumbest ones constantly. Laws are made by politicians who are controlled by the owning class. They are enforced on us, not developed by us. That's why corporations and their board of directors can rape the earth and kill thousands and millions while you and me can get jailed for petty little things like copying textbooks too much or buying fun smokable plants.

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[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The fact they still haven't been caught despite all the attention this has gotten so far tells me the shooter knew what they were getting into & was prepared for it. Legally speaking, I think that eliminates a "temporary insanity" defense, but I don't think it should. Someone despondent over losing a dearly loved one due to the completely arbitrary, cynical, and sometimes outright ghastly "healthcare" system we live under refusing to provide the service they were paid for seems like something that would lead to a temporary insanity that just lasts a very long time.

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