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Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).

Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word "Linux" in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.

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[–] Crow@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (15 children)

I’m a new Linux user since the start of the year. Windows has become so stressful to use for a pc I just want to game on. Before I was stuck using windows, but proton has changed the game so much I don’t feel like I’m missing anything now using Linux.

ChatGPT has also helped a lot by giving me all the technical support for Linux I could ever need. It’s taught me a ton while also helping me with all my problems.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ChatGPT helping you migrate to Linux is peak irony considering Microsoft owns 49% of OpenAI

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Tbf they make a huge chunk of their money from azure services now.

And while windows drives certain services they are super invested in Linux.

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[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I had never considered this as a valid purpose for ChatGPT. Well done you for being resourceful!

[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

ChatGPT is a fantastic tutor. Even if it doesn't know already, you can copy a dense technical document and paste it into the chat, then ask it questions in plain english in subsequent messages

[–] cyanarchy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

I've basically stopped using google for tech support, a computer is now teaching me how to use a computer.

[–] Voyajer@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

ChatGPT has probably trained on the bulk of the Internet's Linux support threads and manages for various commands now that I think about it.

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[–] Laser@feddit.de 17 points 1 year ago (27 children)

I'm loving the comments on the article.

Things that should have disappeared 30 years ago are still problems in the operating system. Not least of which is the handling of locales. I cannot transfer Excel files from my Windows machine to my Linux machine because my Windows machine uses points to denote decimals (as in most companies and homes in South Africa) while Linux does a hard-enforce of the documented standard in South Africa which is a comma for decimal. This breaks my files and I am unable to perform calculations on Excel files due to this. Ridiculous, relevant and sad.

I was previously unaware of the kernel doing such things.

People are indifferent, unknowing, fearful, or just plain lazy to learn new apps. Got to get Office, QuickBooks, Quicken, Adobe, and other major apps to run on Linux.

Most of these are fringe cases nowadays, and often used in environments where the user has no control over the OS anyways. I don't really use Office at home (for the three times per year, LibreOffice is good enough and that's what most Windows users I know run at home anyways).

Also it's not as easy as to just "get Office, QuickBooks, Quicken, Adobe, and other major apps to run on Linux". The wine project is doing miraculous work already IMHO…

While I agree with you on the advantages (performance, stability, reliability, security, customization, privacy, lightweight nature, no corporate bloatware, etc) of Linux, its rate of adoption is considerably weak and consistently weak because of various reasons and causes that your article does not mention.

"Your article doesn't mention the real reasons, which conveniently enough I won't list either."

[–] Valmond@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Windows chance , and . depending on the language settings, so yeah so so simple and helpful :-/

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[–] kikuchiyo@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I wonder if Steam Deck is helping with that number (but I don’t know if that many of them were sold to make that much impact).

[–] ultranaut@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I tried to look it up and they may haveeither sold about 3 million already or are projected to have sold around that many by the end of the year.

[–] kikuchiyo@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

That’s huge number for sure! I think what Steam is doing to make playing games on Linux easier is a big factor too.

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[–] lemminer@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Next year it might go up to 10%? Privacy is a serious concern these days.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, next year is definitely gonna be it!

[–] kouichi@lemmy.fmhy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 7 points 1 year ago

On a serious note, I've started to believe it might actually happen one day, in large thanks to Valve and Steam Deck.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And usability, windows gets more and more complicated IMO, and not in the "fun" way Linux can be completed.

[–] Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

Familiarity is big part of usability though. And people are more familiar with Windows.

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[–] Fryboyter@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

according to StatCounter's data

Our tracking code is installed on more than 1.5 million sites globally.

Source: https://gs.statcounter.com/faq#methodology

Such statistics are always to be taken with a grain of salt.

There are more than 1.5 billion websites worldwide. Statcounter therefore covers only a small fraction of them. So chances are good that you as a Linux user do not use any of these 1.5 million websites that Statcounter uses to create their statistics.

Furthermore, I suspect that many Linux users use tools like uBlock Origin or Pi-Hole, so that the things that are used to track users are blocked.

Apart from that, I have several Linux installations with which I never access a website. Sometimes they have no direct connection to the Internet. Thus, they are also not recorded.

But now to the most important. 3 percent of what? Percentage numbers don't tell anything if you don't know the number of users behind them. Let's assume that there were 2.8 percent Linux users in May. In June, only 2.6 percent. Nevertheless, it is possible that there were more actual users in June if the total number of all users increased accordingly.

[–] BanthaFood@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago

Yeah man that's how statistics work. It's not a census. The people behind statscounter make calculations and approximations based on the data they get from they trackers. I think they know that there are people with tracking-blockers. And not only on windows.

They don't just present simple numbers they get. They polish them and that's literally their job.

[–] FarLine99@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

yeah. It is weird statistics. Maybe ethic telemetry on Linux will help with user counting.

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

great now Linux is mainstream enought i have fo over to free bsd to keep my hipster status

[–] IDatedSuccubi@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You can say something like "I've been here before the Steam Deck" or "I've seen the SystemD holy war" or any of the earlier changes around linux you've encountered

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[–] ReakDuck@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nah, its just that services like Disney fixed its analytics and Linux users don't need to camoflage as Windows user to use Disneyplus /s

[–] Temezi@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 year ago

You jest but as you know this really is something Linux users have had to do with many things, like games. Game works with wine/proton but only has windows support? You're a windows gamer now. If you use linux and FF, some sites break unless you spoof as windows and edge. We have been doing this to ourselves, hopefully it gets better.

[–] sudoku@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

If a service doesn't want you, why even give them money? I'd like to think that Linux users know better.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

Is that including Steamdeck in that 3%, or users becoming aware of Linux based on Steamdeck? 3 percent may not seem like much but it moves the 2 percent from 1 in 50 people to close to 1 in 30 people. So more chance of bumping into a fellow user. I met up with an old work colleague just before the pandemic, we got to chatting about computers he mentioned he had dumped W10 for Mint around the same time I'd dropped W10 for OpenSUSE. Seems the Windows 10 was a tipping point for more savvy computer users who understood there could be other Operating Systems out there besides Windows or MacOS.

[–] gridleaf@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (19 children)

Linux needs better multi-monitor support. It's better than it's ever been, but it's still janky and giving black screens on tertiary screens at times.

EDIT: It's funny how the comments are all over the place. "works for me", "it's broken on KDE but works on XFCE", "it's broken on XFCE but works on KDE", etc. I think that's a good sign there are problems with multi-monitor support.

[–] eric5949@lemmy.cloudaf.site 2 points 1 year ago

I've never had issues with multi monitor, what desktop are you using?

[–] ReakDuck@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Its more of a Desktop thing rather than Linux. If you use the right Desktop like Plasma then you have no issues at all.

I really don't see any problems with Multi monitor, I actually have more issues with Windows 11 right now in terms of multiple Displays

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[–] hiyaaaaa23@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago
[–] tech10@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

A couple of days ago i switched from Windows to Linux Mint, since W11 22H2 was slow, like really slow. I haven't looked back to windows since

[–] NotMichaelCera@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yall are making me wanna fuck with Linux. Lmao

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[–] fulano 5 points 1 year ago

I joined the community before the 1% mark. It has been such a nice journey.

[–] RelativeArea0@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Might be, china plans to implement their "opensource" version of kylin os to ditch windows

[–] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The irony here, for me, is that after 2 years of not needing windows at all, even for gaming, I've had to tuck my tail and return to windows to play Apex. It's been solid for 2 years, but about 2 months ago I started getting weird file validation errors. A patch seemed to fix it, but then last week its come roaring back and its unplayable. I've tried all the tricks, validating game files (always finds files that need to be redownloaded), clearing game cache, completely uninstalled, trying the flatpak version vs deb, etc etc.

The most irritating thing for me is that I dont have a clue who to report this too or what kind of information I can provide. I was using inotify tools to see what was happening to the files that corrupted them, but there is nothing I can see. It appears as though the corruption happens when steam is accessing the files (but there is no obvious writes happening, its all reads as far as I can tell. But who do I file a bug with? the proton devs? Apex devs? Steam devs? PopOS devs? Steam support will tell me to pound sand.

[–] datendefekt@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Could this have something to do with NTFS not being case sensitive? I remember somewhere there is an option in Steam to ignore upper/lower case.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Where is StatCounter getting this data from?

[–] SamDuede@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

There are literally dozens of us!

[–] MrGerrit@feddit.nl 2 points 1 year ago

If my damn steelseries keyboard would just be supported for Linux. On Reddit they said the Linux market was just too small to support it,I hope they'll have a change of heart.

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