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oldie meme but needed to bring this back due to recent incidents 😭

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[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 12 hours ago (6 children)

On Lemmy it's more like:

"I don't like pancakes."

"Oh, so I suppose that waffles are perfect huh??"

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[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I see more Motte-and-bailey fallacy.

I see less "I like pancakes" and more "I think pancakes are superior to waffles" from the first commenter.

Then the second commenter responds, "So you hate waffles?"

Then the first commenter retreats to "No, I just like pancakes. Why are you assuming what I'm saying? Don't you understand I'm being nuanced?"

Also, nuance is one of the more recent words to have a new usage like literally, which can now mean figuratively. When people say their argument is nuanced they mean it is good or correct. It reminds me of the use objective to describe a person to pretend they don't have biases to incorrectly validate their arguments.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

me: lot of pancakes out there

you: actually i see more waffles

(with peace and love haha you make excellent points i just couldn’t resist)

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

In the context of this self-referencing observation, I would say, I see lots of waffles pretending to be pancakes.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 1 points 6 hours ago

i approve and adopt your extension of the metaphor

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 44 points 14 hours ago (5 children)

A large portion of the world is experiencing political polarization. I see the same things happening on Lemmy happen on other social media websites.

The “if you don’t agree with me you must have the exact opposite opinion” approach to debate seems to be more a problem of the participants than the platform.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Pretty much every time I dare to say anything negative about Russia or China I'm swarmed with illiterate tankie lemmings who jump into the conclusion that criticising one empire automatically means supporting the other empire.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 12 points 12 hours ago (2 children)
[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago

Great. Another corpo-fascist centrist who doesn’t understand the Overton Window.

[–] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

i feel this problem might be worse on the fediverse because of the political communities that form around instances, e.g. .ml, .blahaj.zone, .world

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 13 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

wow can’t believe this guy wants me to kiss nazis on the lips /s

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

I said don’t kiss Nazi ass. That’s not the same thing.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

How can you not like waffles! That's outrageous! I'm so triggered right now!

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[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 59 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

And yet, you assumed an image on catbox would work on my device. Interesting.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 43 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 8 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

lol. It’s just iOS, voyager, vpn, and ad blocking are not conducive to seeing hosted images.

[–] PaupersSerenade@sh.itjust.works 18 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I’m on iOS, using voyager, proton vpn, and a 3rd party ad blocker and the image loaded just fine for me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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[–] tyler@programming.dev 3 points 12 hours ago

I like Mlem a lot more than voyager. The only thing it isn’t as good at is videos. I’ve never had an issue with catbox on Mlem

[–] Jomega@lemmy.world 15 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

One time I said AI porn was unethical (because it is) and people here thought I was calling for a ban on all porn. At no point did I say that porn was unethical as a rule, and if I did believe that I wouldn't have mentioned AI at all.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 10 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

It'd be nice if we could regulate porn in good faith. Every attempt to regulate it in the US has been an obvious attempt to shut it down, but it should be regulated like anything else. Sex toys, too. Lots of questionable substances are used in sex toys that probably shouldn't be inserted into the human body.

[–] weker01@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Sex toys are not regulated in the us?! There are a ton of regulations in the EU unfortunately not the same in all countries but some even classify them as medical devices. There is also the standard ISO 3533 "Sex toys — Design and safety requirements for products in direct contact with genitalia, the anus, or both" which is not required at the moment? is still used as a guideline.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 1 points 6 hours ago

None beyond that ISO standard, which yes, is advisory. If it can be shown to be dangerously unsafe, it's subject to a recall, but that's only going to happen if the batteries tend to explode or something like that. There's lots of unsafe types of plastic that get through.

https://www.compliancegate.com/sex-toys-regulations-united-states/

The United States Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) is an independent agency of the US government, overseeing the safety of consumer products. It develops and enforces safety standards in the United States. It also conducts research related to hazards and risks to the public caused by consumer products.

The CPSC has not yet developed a specific safety standard for sex toys. However, importers and manufacturers are required to report to the CPSC if their product could create a substantial risk of injury to the public, for example, because of a manufacturing defect or a design issue.

In practice, an unsafe sex toy is subject to a recall, regardless of whether it is covered by mandatory safety standards. Hence, importers or manufacturers of sex toys should ensure that their products are safe, for instance by complying with relevant voluntary safety standards.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 6 points 11 hours ago (6 children)

this shit pisses me off, my instinct is to say irrationally, but i feel it’s probably totally rational to have your own carefully chosen words used in such a hamfisted perversion

yesterday i made a post saying “hey look there’s a pattern to how ableist terms begin as descriptive or medical terms and its only later they are coopted as insults, the most recent of which is ‘neurodivergent’”

top comment? “dude stop telling us to stop using the word ‘neurodivergent.’” 30+ upvotes. and when i respond saying that actually making people abandon the word wasn’t my goal? downvotes.

like what even is the point of writing words if crusty ass debate lords insist on interpretation to mean the exact opposite 80% of the time?

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[–] MBM@lemmings.world 7 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

how dare you say we piss on the poor

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 4 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

i never said that! i only piss on the MOON

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[–] hmonkey@lemy.lol 18 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I like to insult and block these people. My fear of course, with Lemmy being so small, is I will block everyone. Then again, that's still better than dealing with illiterate, contrarian assholes

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 11 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

I feel the same way, then I look at my blocklist and it's just lemmy.ml, anime subs, 3 people, some political terms, and a bot. I also have a .world account I use when I want to view the whole Lemmy experience anyways. Tbh I still feel kinda bad about blocking .ml, there was some cool peeps on there but I just can't deal with all the tankie drama

[–] hmonkey@lemy.lol 5 points 12 hours ago

I also blocked ml, it just ain't worth it. I figure the cool people will eventually leave for another instance anyways

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[–] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 11 points 12 hours ago

That’s French toast erasure.

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 13 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

Yep that's one of my pet peeves about the Internet. People love to try to put words in your mouth. It gets a bit tiring having to tell every one of those jabronis that I never said any of those words, and they should re-read what I did actually write instead.

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[–] Bender_on_Fire@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago

While I don't want to deny that people try to put words into others mouths, I think context is still important. It is possible and even quite typical to send messages beyond the meaning of the actual words used in a statement and simply playing dumb when someone calls you out for doing that is also not a great look.

Think of going to a waffles-convention and just walking around claiming that you, in fact, like pancakes. Of course people are going to assume you're a troll.

It's important to think of different perspectives and at least consider if something you meant in a very innocent way might still not sit right with someone else. Certainly not easy to do, mistakes will always happen, but honestly trying makes a huge difference imo.

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

Tell me you're not married without saying you're not married

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[–] FabledAepitaph@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Bruh, it's so real. I made a comment that whenever I get messed up food at a restaurant, id rather just ask for a refund than ask for a replacement. Obviously there's a lot of nuance in this comment, but I had people taking all kinds of meanings from it. One guy told me I was a complete asshole and some other stuff, just because I'd rather have a refund at the McDonald's instead of asking the overworked, underpaid employees to remake my order as I sat in the drive-through, and so I wouldn't have to pull over and wait even longer.

People just want to be pissed off and angry.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 13 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

just because I'd rather have a refund at the McDonald's instead of asking the overworked, underpaid employees to remake my order

Except what you actually said was if you ask for a replacement they're going to spit in it, so you just threaten them with a charge back if they don't refund you.

https://lemmy.ca/comment/13396935

The fact that you are lying about what you said seems to indicate you understand why you may have come off as an asshole.

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 hours ago

And some are just trolling, that sounds like you were trolled.

[–] zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 11 hours ago

Equally common, unfortunately, is people who don't state their point, they just lay out the pieces and expect you to put it together, but then if you say something bad about it suddenly that's "not what I said". Schrodinger's point.

I've developed a response to comments that do this saying-it-but-not-saying-it thing, and while I try to judge sincerity, there are false positives. An okay approach I've found is just to ask people to clarify: if they say something reasonable they're genuine, and if they dodge the question they're a troll or someone who doesn't want to admit they believe something bad.

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