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[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The dirty secret of affirmative action is that schools were not filling their ranks with inner city or low income African American students. They were heavily recruiting wealthy students from Nigeria, Kenya, Ghana, the Caribbean, and the UK.

I didn’t go to a top school by any stretch of the imagination but every Black student I met was wealthy and international.

[–] MooseTheDog@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Same here. In our district they have every hbcu, but not even the state local engineering college on their wall of universities.

[–] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Something needs to be done but affirmative action isn't it. It's just a bad policy.

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Unfortunately the other options are worse or impossible...

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 94 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Magoos: SEE! They're dumb, they were never qualified to begin with!!

They'll be both racist, and refuse to acknowledge racism. :/

[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 36 points 4 days ago (1 children)

In their minds, it's not racism. It's either nature or culture.

[–] hasnt_seen_goonies@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

No racist thinks their racist. They think they're right.

[–] vaionko@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 days ago

I've heard people proubly exclaim that they are racist. They exist

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

"I'm just saying what everyone is thinking."

No buddy, you're not. You just lack the ability to imagine other people's thoughts. (That's me talking to racists, not you.)

[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 101 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

What's the average, or at least the past few years? How does this compare with other years percentage-wise - is overall enrollment up or down? Maybe it's usually 20 every other year, maybe it's usually 200 🤷‍♂️ mostly useless without context

EDIT: there's a little more in the actual article, at least

Harvard Law enrolled 19 first-year Black students, or 3.4 percent of the class, the lowest number since the 1960s, according to the data from the American Bar Association. Last year, the law school’s first-year class had 43 Black students, according to an analysis by The New York Times.

“This is the lowest number of Black entering first-year students since 1965,” he added, pointing to numbers compiled by the Center on the Legal Profession at Harvard, where he also serves as faculty director. That year, there were 15 entering Black students. Since 1970, there have generally been 50 to 70 Black students in Harvard Law’s first-year class, he said.

[–] hasnt_seen_goonies@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

So well under half is a big change.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 50 points 4 days ago

Racism is working!

[–] imposedsensation@lemmynsfw.com 49 points 4 days ago (1 children)

How many Asians and Indians, serious question, and, respect.

[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Class of 2028

  • African American or Black 14%
  • Asian American 37%
  • Hispanic or Latino 16%
  • Native American 1%
  • Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander <1%

Class of 2027

  • African American/Black 15.3
  • Asian American 29.9
  • Latinx 11.3
  • Native American 2.2
  • Native Hawaiian 0.5
[–] GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works 14 points 4 days ago

I love that 27 says "Latinx" and 28 says "Hispanic or Latino"

[–] imposedsensation@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Is India considered Asian?

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

There aren't all that many continents to pick from.

  • North America
  • South America
  • Europe
  • Africa
  • Asia
  • Oceana
  • Antarctica
[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

This Times of India article talking about US Ivy League admissions treats the data as such.

[–] derf82@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No affirmative action and we probably wouldn’t be stuck with Clarence Thomas. It’s not all bad.

[–] exploitedamerican@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

Ouch, if that isnt the worst truth I've heard. I wonder what we can do to fix the massive mess our public institutions have become.

[–] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What's to stop them from doing it anyway barring there being a racist on the admissions committee? Even then, a majority vote would rule right? Couldn't the majority say, "We had exceptionally good black students applicants this year. This is an internal matter"?

[–] Awesomo85@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, I feel that this proves 1 of 2 things: either that Harvard's Admissions Board is in fact racist, or that affirmative action was actually causing an uneven playing field.

P.S. whether or not creating an uneven playing field is right or wrong is an entirely separate issue.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 6 points 2 days ago

Creating a false dichotomy does nothing but eliminate nuance. The simple fact is that there are more students applying to Harvard than Harvard can let in. Because not this, it means Harvard gets to choose from people they think will benefit the University, an "even playing field" has nothing to do with it.

The university doesn't benefit the most from getting the smartest or hardest working graduates, they benefit from students who will one day increase their endowment.

The idea of an even playing field is laughable, as we don't have an equal path to higher education. Someone getting 4.0 from a private highschool who has access to private tutors, isn't the same as someone getting a 4.0 from a public school and holding down a part time job.

So if the school doesn't have to acknowledge this, what do you think is going to happen? If the idea of merit is only tracked by how well you can beef up your student portfolio......who do you think is going to win out, the family that spent tens of thousands on private education, or the family who is struggling to pay rent?

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Of course affirmative action was causing an uneven playing field. That was the whole point. Our society has screwed over certain marginalized groups, so this is a way to help give them a leg up.

The Wikipedia page literally says affirmative action is sometimes known as "positive discrimination/action"