Carguacountii

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[–] Carguacountii@hexbear.net 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (17 children)

Its not so much whether sex work is or isn't immoral, or unethical, I'd consider that a separate discussion, but rather how that practice relates to children and their education and development. Something can be ok for adults to learn about or engage in but not for children.

As an example, its usually seen as not a good thing for children to learn about being a soldier (even if it happens in practice), despite it being a very good way of making soldiers, to teach them young. But the resulting harm to those children and society makes it generally outlawed, and certainly against public opinion. This is seperate and distinct from an argument about whether its good or bad, right or wrong for an adult to learn about being a soldier. The same applies to drug use - you need to be wiser and better educated than a child to engage with it, because of the risks and harms involved.

edit; to further clarify, with the soldier analogy, you might be ok with it being taught in a structured and carefully thought out way, but not for children to be watching war footage, if you see what I mean.

[–] Carguacountii@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Its rather that once something like this comes out, the whole community will know. There's also a potential that children could access whatever pornography is being advertised. I don't think its contradictory - once its public knowledge, it becomes potentially or actually harmful.

Further, I do think that what people do has the potential to affect their mind - how they see things and behave. This is true of soldiers, or abbatoir workers, for example.

Apologies for making you angry, it wasn't intentional.

[–] Carguacountii@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Of course parents will always be concerned with what kind of person a teacher is, and what they do, just as people are concerned about the same with politicians (also role models). It'd be negligent of them not to be. I'm not deciding that, its just is how things are, how society functions. If a person doesn't want to or isn't able to uphold the public good, they can't be a public authority figure or role model - or they can if they can get away with it, but it will always attract criticism.

[–] Carguacountii@hexbear.net 14 points 9 months ago (40 children)

Something that a teacher advertises publicly is the public's business.

I think if they're writing books with that kind of material, then yes - I'd fire nabakov immediately for example (at the least). With the 90s gangster rap, it depends on the content. With the guns, it depends on what kind of related material they were publically releasing.

Some of your other examples are too petulant and silly to respond to.

[–] Carguacountii@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago (10 children)

No, and I'd prefer if you try to take what I say in good faith, it'll make this discussion easier and maybe even productive - those are silly questions to ask. That isn't the only issue, just the most extreme one. Its about how and when a child learns about any aspect of this topic, and their learnt perspective on it.

Again, two bad things don't make a good thing. I wouldn't want my children to have cops in schools, because I'd worry that they would influence their development & education, being authority figures and role models.

[–] Carguacountii@hexbear.net 16 points 9 months ago (17 children)

Well they should choose a different job or if they can't, accept the consequences, because that is what that job is by its nature. Just like a parent is a role model for their children - children are very impressionable, not very wise, and one fundamental, 'innate' type of learning is observational/copying. They aren't 'any other adult' they work with children and teach them.

What they do in their time off is their own business, but what they do in public is the public's business.

[–] Carguacountii@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago (15 children)

well I think the majority of parents closely guard their children when it comes to this issue (in a general sense), because children are very easily exploited, and this matter is one that's very easy for people to exploit others with, so they want to be fully in control or at least oversight of the teaching of this subject - the same goes for politics. Not always with great results of course, and sometimes unintentionally (or in the worst cases intentionally) harmfully, but mostly because of that protective impulse.

Generally, when parents talk about what they want their children to be, they say happy and prosperous, and something useful like a scientist or a bus driver or similar, or to follow in their own career sometimes. I've never heard a parent say they want their children to become pornographers. And again, the vast majority of parents don't want an authority figure and role model for their child to be one. I don't think this is because they don't want their children to grow up to not enjoy or engage in normal human interactions, but rather that its something that can (and often does) carry a great deal of risk and harm, and they want to wait for an appropriate time, when they're wiser, for them to experience or learn about it.

So I'm not sure your implied accusation (I hope I haven't misread you) that its reactionary to not want a pornographer teacher is true.

[–] Carguacountii@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago (92 children)

sure, but once its found out, it is their business since it becomes public knowledge. No doubt many teachers get up to the usual range of activities of various kinds that are seen as illicit or taboo in secret, but they're public role models for children in their profession, so.

[–] Carguacountii@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago (115 children)

I think you'd be hard pressed to find parents who don't have an issue with their kids teacher also being a pornographer

[–] Carguacountii@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago

I made intercessionary prayers on behalf of the beekeepers and epileptics

[–] Carguacountii@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago

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