SirEDCaLot

This is exactly it. A lot of people are struggling. They see less jobs, less pay, meanwhile the rich get richer. They see a system that benefits everybody except them. So Trump comes along and says he's going to fuck up the system. That sounds pretty good. And if he can make a decent excuse that he's been fucked by the system too, people are willing to overlook a lot.

Plus, let's not forget Harris had very little real message. Obama had a message- hope, change, yes we can. Hillary was as status quo as you can get, and people wants to reform. Kamala's message was basically 'I'm not Trump' but unfortunately that's not good enough to get you elected. Especially not when, before Biden dropped out and she got anointed, she was polling in the single digits.

Once again, you're looking at steak. Obviously sizzle doesn't keep you alive. But someone desperate for meat is going to follow the smoke and fire and sizzle in the hope that there is steak at the bottom of it.

So far that solution seems to be to ignore it as a problem and continue the policies that created it. Dems are a little better on unions, but neither one is addressing the systemic problem.

Just like conservatism, the problem is what parts of it you push.

Focus on divisive issues like gun control, open immigration, and hyper inclusion of any possibly marginalized group and you push people away.

Avoid the wedge issues, and focus on things that will make everybody's lives better, like honest government, social safety net, and good health care, and you bring everybody together.

If you look at the entire range of issues, including the ones politicians don't often talk about, you might find that Americans generally agree on more than they disagree on. But rather than focusing on those shared agreements and trying to build a better country, both parties are focusing on wedge issues where there is strong disagreement.

And you are doing the same thing that the other Democrats are doing, focusing on the steak rather than the sizzle. If you look at the things Trump has actually done in his life, most of it is just looking out for #1. And after his first 4 years, I don't think we need another 4. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I was not impressed by his presidency.

But that's looking at steak. He may not have much steak, but he has an awful lot of sizzle in excess.

You have a country that is (to continue the analogy) starving and malnourished. One candidate shows you a ton of sizzle and steam and flame and makes your mouth water. The other one just keep saying that eating red meat is bad for you.

That's why Trump won. You need to understand that for a lot of people, voting involves emotion and desperation. You see the factories you work at closing, hearing about a giant tariff on Chinese goods sounds fucking awesome. You work lower end jobs and see companies switching from full-time American workers with salary and benefits to part-time immigrant workers making minimum wage, closing the border sounds like a great idea. And that's not because of racism, it's because you don't want to be competing for jobs with people who will accept minimum wage and live 10 to a flat so they can all send money back home. There is of course little or no steak behind the sizzle, Trump's first term showed that. But to an emotional voter who is desperate.....

No they aren't, and with that attitude we will continue to repeat this mistake over and over and over.

The people want change. A lot of change. You can work 40 hours a week and barely scrape by paycheck to paycheck, and it's been like that for years. Housing is even more unaffordable.
Nothing has changed for years.
People are angry.

Donald Trump taps into that. That is his whole message. That he is an outsider, he is not the status quo, he is the one who shakes things up. He does not listen to PR people. He says what's on his mind. He is the closest thing to a Bulworth candidate we've had in quite some time.

I personally think he is a liar and a criminal, but not everybody shares that view.

What does Kamala have going for her? She is the vice president, next in line of a succession. There is no radical reform there. It is status quo. And let's not forget that before Biden dropped out and Kamala was crowned successor, she was pulling very low even among Democrats.

The problem is not that America refuses to hand the country over to a woman. The problem is that the DNC keeps putting forward the wrong people as candidates, and expects the whole nation to vote for them simply because they're not Republican. It doesn't work that way.

My point is though, as long as you blame sexism or racism or whatever for Trump's win, you hide the real problem and thus prevent it from being fixed.

It NEEDS to be fixed.
For the good of the country, we (Dems) cannot expect people to just vote for us because we're not Republican. We need to offer them something better. Obama did that. That's why he won. Hope, change, yes we can. That was something better. And so he defeated a real non-crazy Republican.

Whoever is the next Democratic candidate, they need to do that. Offer a real message and a real plan. Not just 'I'm not red'.

Okay Trump is recent, but his whole change of focus since buying Twitter is where public opinion on him shifted. That started a shift in public statement more toward the libertarian or perhaps conservative and that made him unpopular with a lot of the liberals who previously liked him for pushing environmental causes.

Now that he pushes conservative and libertarian ideals, supports a Republican candidate, he becomes persona non grata. That may well be valid, but it should not take away recognition of his other accomplishments. If he's now an asshole, he can be a visionary asshole. Becoming an asshole doesn't mean he isn't or wasn't a visionary.

I'm not saying he's not an asshole. But he is a visionary.

And right now, if he wasn't up Trump's ass, you'd probably be saying he's a visionary without sarcasm.

Third party voter here. I don't expect any third party candidate to win. My home state of Connecticut is solidly blue. All of our electoral votes WILL go to Harris, no vote of mine could change that even if I wanted it to, which I don't. I am no fan of Trump.

I vote for whichever third party looks likely to get the most total votes, because of a third party can drum up 5% of the total national popular vote they get a lot more federal election funds in the next election.

My voting priority is for next cycle, to get a third party on the debate stage. That's what I'm voting for.

Obviously the right of people to live is very important. But if somebody encourages them to end their own life, their right is not being taken away, they are just being given bad advice. If they choose to suicide, their right to live is being surrendered by them, by their own bad choice. Taking away somebody's right to live is murder. Encouraging somebody to do something stupid is harmful, but it is not murder. No more is it theft if I encourage you to set your money on fire and you do it. You choose to follow my obviously bad recommendation, you choose to set your own money on fire. That is your choice and your responsibility.

Making any sort of speech illegal is a slippery slope. Most civilized people would agree they don't want to read racist rhetoric, encouragements of suicide, etc. but when 'I don't want to read that' becomes 'I don't want you to be allowed to say that' you start forcing the morality of the majority on everybody. And that rarely ends up in good places, historically speaking.