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Most damgerous man alive who is going to assassinate our Democracy (TM)

We must also have an orderly and peaceful transition of power. The genocide must continue as well.

The word "compound" reminds me too much of fortified houses used as weapon caches or hideouts by the Taliban or iraqi insurgency.

I'll have to ask which Trot parties the PTS is in talks with from Brasil, because I know they have some dialogue going on.

Workers' Cause Party, which is probably best known in the West for openly celebrating the Taliban's victory as a “workers' victory”.

That reminds me of an insanely obscure Trot party from Italy that declared support for ISIS because it's "anti imperialist" and is involved in a direct struggle against the US

It sounds like a joke but some Peronist orthodoxs like Guillermo Moreno believe Trump is a "Peronist without realizing it". They believe in this idea of "Peronizing the World" and that the real struggle is not class struggle but "Struggle of the Peoples", where the main winners are Trump, Putin and the Pope.

I don't think Trump will ever know what Peronism is lmao

And genocides. Wow, can you believe that??

I WISH HIM A SPEEDY DEATH

you're all screwed tbh

Milei talks with Trump, says US is ‘copying' Argentina's 'model’

*Javier Milei speaks with US president-elect Donald Trump, who reportedly describes Argentine leader as “his favourite president”; La Libertad Avanza leader will travel to Republican’s Florida resort on Thursday to attend CPAC forum. *

President Javier Milei declared Tuesday that the United States is “copying” Argentina’s “model,” just hours before he spoke with US president-elect Donald Trump. Milei, 53, revealed that one of his top ministers has held talks with billionaire tycoon Elon Musk, who may win a place in Trump’s incoming government after strongly backing the former reality TV star’s run for the White House.

Argentina’s President made the remarks just two days before he is due to fly to Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida for a event staged by the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC). Milei is expected to meet Trump and Musk while in Florida.

“I understand that it is through lower taxes and not through spurious devaluations that impoverish the population that competitiveness is achieved. In the United States they have already realised this and are copying our model,” Milei said Tuesday at an event organised by the technology company Meta in Buenos Aires.

“In fact, Musk is in talks with [Deregulation & State Transformation Minister] Federico Sturzenegger to see how to deregulate the US economy,” he revealed, referring to his minister in charge of reducing the size of the state. The comments came just hours before Milei spoke with Trump via telephone.

Manuel Adorni, Milei’s spokesperson, revealed in a post on X that the “President of the Nation Javier Milei had a telephone conversation with the president-elect of the United States, Donald Trump.” In his message, the spokesperson revealed details of the 10-minute private call. “You are my favourite president,” Adorni claimed Trump told Milei during their talks.

Trump will 100% impose tariffs on argentinian goods anyways lmao.

Upon learning of Trump's victory last week, Milei congratulated him through messages on Instagram and X. “You know you can count on Argentina to make America great again,”’ he wrote in one of them. Since taking office a year ago, MIlei’s government has embarked upon a fierce austerity campaign, slimming the government, paralysing public works projects, cutting subsidies and laid off more than 30,000 public sector staff on contracts.

Milei spares no praise for both Trump and Musk, the world's richest person and who is expected to wield significant influence in the next US government. By attending the donors' meeting of the conservative CPAC forum at Mar-A-Lago, Milei is snubbing his regional peers and King Felipe VI of Spain, who are meeting on Friday in Ecuador for an Ibero-American Summit. On his return, he will receive French President Emmanuel Macron, who will visit Argentina before participating in the G20 summit on November 18 and 19 in Rio de Janeiro. After the summit, he will host Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni in Buenos Aires.

death to "israel" btw

It's certainly interesting. I know they maintain discussions with other trots parties around the world, like in Brasil, France, Germany and some small groups in the US and even South Korea, but none are even remotely as big or as important as the ones in Argentina. Sometimes they arrenge for visits to share experiences. For example, a group of US Trots came to Argentina to speak with the main Trot party, the PTS, and ended up being invited to a number of protests which they described as "something completely different to what we have in the US". They brought back to their country some of their experiences, including having a distinguished group of militants who are specialized in first aid to assist those in need during protests, especially if it's being repressed. I like that they have this internationalist perspective as well, they have their own kind of 4th International going on right now.

They also became heavily involved in local conflicts regarding ownership of factories, like when PepsiCo wanted to lay off a shitton of workers from their factory and leave, the Trots organized with the workers and ended up taking and occupying the factory. Other factories were occupied by the workers with asistance from the Trots and they still operate to this day as coops, pretty cool. Such experiences are shared with militants from other countries as well. I like them when they do shit like that, it turns out we can get shit done after all. If they could just stop talking about Trotsky for a minute.... lmao

i'm confused by this paragraph. do you mean that the CGT leadership are peronists while the CGT membership are real leftists, and that therefore the leadership haven't called for strikes while the membership have been calling for strikes?

The CGT's leadership, and the leadership of pretty much all of it's unions, are all peronist. The membership, however, varies from union to union. It is mostly peronist but there are leftists here and there. Some unions and ridiculously big, like for example FAECYS, which is the union for all employees related to pretty much any commercial activity, so for example if you're an employee in a store, you're in that union by default. I was a member of that union for like 5 years. That creates a very diverse ideological composition within the union. The leadership, in general, is horrendous. We're talking about a heavily centralized, personalist and bureaucratic unions whose main general secretaries have been in their posts for like three decades lmao, access to positions of power within them is almost out of reach for the common union member, if you fuck around too much you might get a bullet to your head even.

Portions of the memberships have been calling for the CGT to "wake up and call for a general strike", so there is friction between leadership and membership althrought it hasn't matured into anything yet. Unfortunately, many of the union's actions depend on the will of the leadership due to the insane centralization and bureaucracy. Other unions became independent, some are still Peronists but operate outside the CGT's influence and some are leftist, which are slowly growing.

this is pretty much word for what what democratic party elites said about trump in 2016 lol. history really do be rhyming

Yep, I like to draw a lot of parallels between Peronism and the Democrats both as a party (even though Peronism has different parties) and as a movement (and to some extent with Labour in the UK). They're there to squash any kind of leftist movement from appearing and evolving. They're old-fashioned politicians as well, too used to traditional political mechanisms, thinking people like Trump or milei can be defeated by just doing politics and negotiating, or making the common people feel bad about milei because he yells at people. Peronism is a bit different though because they used to take arms against old military governments, so they know a thing or two about being entrenched in a bitter fight for power.

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Hello liberals, I will give my balance on 's Argentina and how things are as of right now, November 2024. But my talk will not be about the cringe ass ancap, I will talk about Peronism and their role as opposition.

As some of you might recall, milei's violent rethoric against "public" education (and I put public on quotes because I have another definition of what is public and what isn't) triggered a nation-wide response from universities as many of them were occupied by the students. Mine was among the first to do so, not unlikely considering it is an historic hotbed for left wing militacy, even though today it's not as good as it used to be.

Anyways, the movement gained traction but, as with many things, the lack of coordination and some... sabotage from within slowly but surely eroded it. It was to be expected, some universities are not really politicized because of course people who study complex mathematics don't have time to read Marx or something, and others have either shit soccdem or peronist leadership and fighting is not for them. My university ended up abandoning the occupation after like 20 days or so, we fought heavily to keep it running but at the end of the day we had to leave it. During the last assemblies, our struggle was directly against peronists and their party structure, who began to attempt to dissolve the movement to "take the fight elsewhere", in accordance with their general policies.

But nothing is really a failure, no matter how bad it looks. There's always experiences to draw upon and lessons to learn. Our lesson is that you just can't trust peronist-aligned groups, no matter how "radical" they may seem, because they have non-revolutionary agendas and are NOT anti-capitalist, they're just reformists who want to play nice and with some rules. The student's leadership in our university is ideologically aliged with the authorities, all are peronists. Then, a professor in one assembly said "There is fear among the authorities that this kind of assemblies might go out of control and become truly democratic and truly horizontal, some people are indeed fighting not for the common good but for their comfort positions". And he, in just a few sentences, described peronism and how they view the struggle against milei.

There has been a very alarming lack of action from the main confederation of unions, the CGT. They are the ones who say "Okay, general strike" and there will be a general strike, their level of reach and organization is unmatched. Unfortunately, the leadership of the CGT and of the many unions that form it are either all peronists or something else, few if any are leftist. The fact they haven't called for strikes in nearly one year of suicidal policies by milei is indeed alarming, it's especially bad considering the CGT has been active and calling for strikes EVEN against former peronist governments. They're nothing but a rotten group of decadent old white men who weaponized class struggle and left it at the mercy of a grotesque bureaucracy.

So if you don't see much action it's because peronism has an interest to cut a deal and keep people away from doing dangerous commie things. They don't want spontaneous organisation by workers where they take matters into their own hands. After all, peronism is anti-communist despite what some confused folks of the Communist Party think, "United Front" my fucking dick and balls lmfao, losers. I believe that peronism understand milei as a temporary anomaly, that things will "go back to normal" once he expires, they're old fashioned politicians who think the new kind of "outsiders" are short lived. Well, the normalcy we once knew is dead, even more when the latest capitalist crisis cycles are getting worse and worse.

They do want to go out to the streets, but only on their terms. Meanwhile they're trying to craft Cristina Fernández de Kirchner back to a presentable leader, as she just assumed control of the Justicialist Party (main peronist electoral party), but she is responsible for getting us into this mess in the first place. Then, once society reaches a point of near collapse, that's when they'll mobilize and cut a deal with the milei government for some sort of "peaceful transition", maybe in the midst of heavy repression like it happened during the December 2001 Riots. Peronism after all is Capital's safe bet when it comes to "social peace".

Therefore, to me it becomes evident that there must be a concentrated effort to organize the working class OUTSIDE the influence of peronism. It's a job that will take years, or maybe not, who knows. The Trots have been doing that fairly well, if anything since the 2000's they've been consistently growing and taking more spaces than before. And while Trots have a shitton of problems, their general stance is a million times better than peronist "we'll give you a better salary XD" policies that reproduce capitalism. Still, agitation becomes necessary and desirable.

Things will continue to decay, milei might "accelerate" the economy for the midterms but that'll make it crash later down the line. I think our goal as leftists is to convince those who felt betrayed by peronism and who hate neoliberalism to join the ranks of Socialism, and I can tell you slowly but surely more people are feeling just like that.

The capitalist would simply steal someone else's bonus points to pass

I've been permabanned from r/soccer because I approved the beating of Maccabi Tel Aviv's zionist hooligans in Amsterdam. I think it was good that a bunch of racist genocidal pieces of shit found out there is a price for genocide and their celebrations. However, this is very bad for 's moderation. Which is a shame because I'm a regular on that community.

r/soccer is not a TERRIBLE place to be in tbh, there's people from all over the world and while westerners are not really outnumbered they're not super dominant. There's a lot of pro-palestinian sentiment in it as well. However, whenever someone posts news regarding Palestine and/or "Israel", things like "X Club displays tifo in support of Gaza", the thread gets IMMEDIATELY locked. Meanwhile, whenever there's something related to Ukraine or China (which doesn't get mentioned that much but it's still there), comments are allowed to flow in. This is their way of handling genocide. Peak liberalism.

And as zionists will soon find out that genocide has a price and they will pay for it with their own society, those who support it from elsewhere will also suffer the consequences of their actions. Their support comes in the form of trying to keep people quiet, to silence the screams coming from Gaza. Such act of cowardice, of compliance, will not go unpunished. This stands true not only for those losers who moderate communities that don't really matter but also for those who run media companies, who run articles calling the Amsterdam beating of zionists a "pogrom" and create a false equivalency between that and the Holocaust.