[-] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 51 points 7 months ago

War kurz davor was produktives zu machen.

[-] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago

I was using hyperbole but the intention is the same.

Sorry I'm bad at reading facial expression over the internet. My mistake.

What you clearly missed was the point of the law.

I literally quoted the law: "where it is a likely consequence that hatred will be stirred up against such a group."

That goes beyond what you claim. While even a possession of such speech would be an offence.

[-] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago

So you do think governments should enforce speech laws.

I think it's a more complex question that people make it out to be. I would say any speech regulation by the government is something we should be wary about.

If you look a bit on the history of fascism, they often attack liberal systems as oppressive because of laws that muzzles the hateful. Once in power, their first move is to muzzle the opposition.

I don't get your argument here.

Don’t be duped by their tactics, the oppressed few can barely get equal rights and the hate army is marching to take that away swaying the weak-minded with a narrative of free speech.

Sure, when people who disagree with you are weak minded, it's easy to be always right.

[-] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 5 points 7 months ago

You should maybe read the law.

Part 2 Section 3, 32: [...] It provides that it is an offence for a person to behave in a threatening, abusive or insulting manner, or communicate threatening, abusive or insulting material to another person, with either the intention to stir up hatred against a group of persons based on the group being defined by reference to race, colour, nationality (including citizenship), or ethnic or national origins, or where it is a likely consequence that hatred will be stirred up against such a group.

It's talking about likely consequence not after a crime has been committed. Also:

Part 2 Section 5, 47: Section 5(1) creates an offence of possession of racially inflammatory material. It provides that it is an offence for a person to have in their possession threatening, abusive or insulting material with a view to communicating the material to another person, with either the intention to stir up hatred against a group of persons based on the group being defined by reference to race, colour, nationality (including citizenship), or ethnic or national origins, or where it is likely that, if the material were communicated, hatred will be stirred up against such a group.

Which makes possession of inflammatory material an offence. Which is rather murky on it's own, but even more so in digital age.

Later it quite literally defines on which terms it's permissive to discuss sexual orientation or religion.

To be fair, maybe I missed something so feel free to correct me:

https://www.parliament.scot/-/media/files/legislation/bills/s5-bills/hate-crime-and-public-order-scotland-bill/introduced/explanatory-notes-hate-crime-and-public-order-scotland-bill.pdf

[-] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago

I don't think it's a case of a law protecting weak from the strong. Since that was what I replied to.

But it's a fair question where I draw the line. It's somewhere with direct and indirect consequences, which is hard to define. I absolutely agree that her speech might have very tangible real consequences to real people from a group she is targeting. But than again it's due to actions of other people "inspired" by her words. While when shouting fire, you create panic just with your own words. Than again one can definitely incite violent actions through media. But that it is even more complicated since it becomes about intent and interpretation.

[-] gapbetweenus@feddit.de -1 points 7 months ago

My argument is more, that while I trust at least some governments with deciding on what food is safe, I don't trust governments at all with decisions about what speech is permitted.

[-] gapbetweenus@feddit.de -1 points 7 months ago

Agreed. It just becomes problematic when speech itself is redefined as crime, that is what I'm arguing against. And the the line with the consequences is not that clear either. Someone could read a book and go an kill someone. I personally think it's a hard thing to really understand consequences of words.

[-] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago

What do I have to do with USA? USA would be a rather good example why government should not have the power to censor speech.

[-] gapbetweenus@feddit.de -1 points 7 months ago

How should I know? I personally don't follow those crazy people.

[-] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago

And I don't trust governments with defining and enforcing those lines, when it comes to speech.

[-] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago

I make that point in general, that I don't trust governments with regulating speech. By the way I'm all in for private platforms regulating speech, would not hang around here otherwise.

[-] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago

Or maybe you got it wrong and that's not the point I was making?

The reasoning used in Assange and Manning case, is that information they made publicly available is endangering peoples lives. That is not unsimilar to the argumentation that hateful speech is endangering people targeted by it.

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I know Twilight but, hear me out - if you are into thinking about human nature, philosophy, love, sex, sm and more I highly recommend that video essay. I don't really like to give an outline, since the essay is journey of itself.

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If been, looking my self from time to time to find an alternative to after effects, recently got rid of my adobe subscription - but still could not replace that specific piece of software. Maybe someone has some good experience?

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