Hi,

jlai.lu is the french instance of Lemmy, some user posted this thread 16 days ago : https://jlai.lu/post/11504685, and a flamewar ensued between hexbear and the french, e.g. between happybadger and their administrator here.

Since they didn't really have any reason to defederate initially, they're now adamant that they should defederate only because of this discussion, since it proved that every Hexbear&Lemmygrad user is agressive(, as if jlai.lu users weren't agressive in this discussion as well).
I still find hard to believe that they could defederate on such weak basis, and it does feel like a convenient excuse, but that's what they're saying, ask them for confirmation if you don't believe it either.

They also used a list of post found on /c/MeanwhileOnGrad@sh.itjust.works as if it was representative, but it hardly counts as an argument, what a stupid situation...

They've now pinned this post for 12 days, and the defederation with both Hexbear and Lemmygrad seems unavoidable.
I've known this for more than a week but didn't care that much, yet when talking with them, and especially @Camus here, they/he said that they/he would like to talk to you. @Camus is very patient/nice, and you can look at his number of comments/posts to gauge his influence, probably their most active user(, kind of a french ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆).
Well, to be more precise, he informally asked for some excuses from Hexbear, but my post here didn't reach them, perhaps because of "r*tard" in my username(, r*tardataire designate someone who's late in french).
However, more than excuses in the name of others, you only have to show him that we're not aggressive(, if you have some time, it won't change much in the end), something very easy/natural to prove for >90% of Hexbear users(, and perhaps >70-80% of Lemmygrad 🙂, it does feel a bit more bitter/serious here, not a criticism).

They have some communities that aren't that far apart from what could be found on Lemmygrad or Hexbear b.t.w., so it can't really be said that they'd reject us solely based on terrorism apologia, supporting Stalin, etc.(, even if their "leftist" admin is against socialist countries because our capitalists said that they're authoritarian).
Staying federated with a french instance would be useless for 99% of Hexbear and Lemmygrad, so if you intervene it'd mostly be on the behalf of current/future french users(, it can be nice sometimes to speak your native language without using an alt account), and perhaps also for Lemmygrad and Hexbear's reputation on jlai.lu.
If you're french, and/or simply nice, and want a chat with them, feel free to do so directly under the post or with @Camus.
(Kinda worth mentionning in passing that, currently, their top two posts of all time sorted by the most comments are the ones cited above about this defederation)

Also, keep in mind that this defederation is unavoidable though, if it doesn't happen now it'll be next year or the year after. As you know, reddit banned ChapoTrapHouse, GenZedong, etc., and we were quickly banned from lemmy.world and others, so we'll one day be banned from other "centrist" instances such as the french one. Just like we'd also be banned/censored by our governement if our numbers grow enough to disturb/'be a threat'.
Furthermore, Hexbear took action, and decided to defederate first without even trying to discuss more calmly. So don't waste too much of your time either(, but please don't go there unless you intent to speak calmly).

Thanks for reading :) !

https://x.com/evoespueblo/status/1851575983821742513

Quite a few talks these last days apparently, from indigenous policemen saying that they knew it was policemen who fired at Evo and the persons with him.
The government now isn't saying that Evo staged the attempt, and recognize that it was policemen that fired at him, but says that it was justified because Evo was escaping from a checkpoint for anti-narcotics operations and 'fled from'&'fired at' them unprovoked(, Del Castillo showed videos in which Evo can be seen saying that he himself had shot at the tires of the cars).

Here're two articles in these community notes :

https://www.lostiempos.com/actualidad/pais/20241028/del-castillo-evo-huyo-reten-control-atropello-uniformado-disparo-policia

Government Minister Eduardo del Castillo stated in a press conference today, Monday, that the former president fled from a routine police checkpoint for anti-narcotics operations, after which a pursuit ensued. Morales allegedly ran over a police officer and fired at the officers.
Del Castillo questioned Morales’ flight, his possession of weapons, and requested that his vehicle undergo a gunpowder residue test.
Additionally, he announced the initiation of criminal proceedings against the former president for attempted murder.
Although videos shared by Radio Kawsachun Coca, which supports Evo Morales Ayma, show an alleged attack on the vehicle carrying Morales and other companions, the footage does not show the moment when the former president allegedly attacked the police.
However, hours later, Morales confirmed he had used a firearm "to defend himself."
"We ducked down, since they were blocking us, we sped up, ran a fair bit, and the second car following us barely made it across, it kept following us, caught up, (I heard) more shots. I shot at the tire of the car that was there, it couldn’t keep going, and we quickly switched to the second car, and they kept shooting," Morales said in an interview with Kawsachun Coca on Sunday.

https://www.dw.com/es/bolivia-gobierno-acusa-a-morales-de-evadir-control-y-disparar/a-70622679 :

Del Castillo described that the car did not want to stop and that shots were fired from inside the group of agents.
According to the minister, this vehicle also ran over a police officer, and even backed up to try to finish him off.

Well, what's your opinion, (i barely took more than a dozen minutes to document myself on that, so )do you know more about this ?

Addition : Del Castillo also suddenly seized more than 21 tons(!) of cocaine, the highest in years, what a coincidence...

Keep in mind that this conspiracy could have also happened behind the back of Luis Arce, who knows...
I find hard to believe Arce would have tried to assassinate Evo, but he's still attacking him in lawfare and his speeches, so weird...

https://t.me/theredstream/11195

"If a foreign worker is required to quit her job due to a complaint she filed, she is also, in fact, losing her place of residence," noted Shiri Lev-Ran

They're the ones for are always talking about Hamas' alleged rapes :

From https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events, which is worth checking everyday.

Sources :
https://en.royanews.tv/news/55053
https://www.newarab.com/news/iraqi-protesters-storm-wreck-office-saudi-owned-mbc-channel

https://x.com/AliAbunimah/status/1846970521193267685

https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/australian-officials-push-authoritarian

I'm still not entirely convinced by their debunking of the rapes(, not that i care, murder is worse than rape, being tortured dozens of minutes beforehand is still only marginally worse in comparison to the eternity of death, and we(sterners) have done so much more barbaric in our "prisons", sometimes for years), but i can't trust our journalists who don't have the necessary time to investigate before publishing, nor Israel who lies at least as much as our western governments(, if not even more).

According to Paul Linebarger, atrocity propaganda leads to real atrocities, as it incites the enemy into committing more atrocities, and, by heating up passions, it increases the chances of one's own side committing atrocities, in revenge for the ones reported in propaganda.[5]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocity_propaganda

Some quotes :

“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
Hannah Arendt

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“The propagandist’s purpose is to make one set of people forget that certain other sets of people are human.”
Aldous Huxley

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“For the powerful, crimes are those that others commit.”
Noam Chomsky

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“If any question why we died, tell them, because our fathers lied.”
Rudyard Kipling

Because it's always interesting to learn about other point of views, they've got much more on khamenei.ir and elsewhere, as well as other websites such as Al-Jazeera, as you know.

That they call this a success means that they can't envision any other path than the armed struggle in order to succeed.
As long as their demands aren't for the total disparition of Israel(, ideally it should exist outside of the Middle-East, in the u.s.a. or Europe), but to be aligned with their neighbours and palestinians' desires, then Israel should agree, and doesn't, instead it's asking to steal more territories and tries to overthrow every neighbor not aligned with the west.

https://x.com/caitoz/status/1843406404612432213 :

B.t.w., if you missed it :

My personal opinion is something similar to William Blum in his book "Rogue State"(, although with more rules, nobody would like to bet on a natural resolution) :

What, then, can the United States do to end terrorism directed against it ?
The answer lies in removing the anti-American motivations of the terrorists.
To achieve this, American foreign policy will have to undergo a profound metamorphosis, as the contents of this book testify.

If I were the president, I could stop terrorist attacks against the United States in a few days. Permanently.
I would first apologize to all the widows and orphans, the tortured and impoverished, and all the many millions of other victims of American imperialism.
Then I would announce, in all sincerity, to every corner of the world, that America's global interventions have come to an end, and inform Israel that it is no longer the 51st state of the USA but henceforth—oddly enough—a foreign country.
I would then reduce the military budget by at least 90% and use the savings to pay reparations to the victims. There would be more than enough money. One year's military budget of $330 billion is equal to more than $18,000 an hour for every hour since Jesus Christ was born.

That's what I'd do on my first three days in the White House. On the fourth day, I'd be assassinated.

Washington, DC, January 2002

Source

Also :

« Israel last week rejected a proposal by the U.S. and France calling for a 21-day ceasefire to give time for a diplomatic settlement that would allow displaced civilians on both sides to return home. »

Please watch this 2mn video from the foreign minister of Jordan : https://x.com/LetsStopC9/status/1840635863073436150

I'm not going to try/search again to cite all the possibilities for Israel to make peace with its opponents, something could be given &/or conceded, but if we sometimes hear that the west loses its battles across the globe despite its military superiority it's because you don't win completely as long as there's still one heart in the population that hasn't been conquered, and it becomes problematic to solve if a majority of this population hates you(, you can't kill everyone).
The demands made to Israel are legitimate, who cares about expanding your borders, we'll be multi-planetary one day, and perhaps that alliances will make borders meaningless before that(, e.g. with the e.u.), uniting with its neighbours isn't impossible, including Iran, Syria, Yemen, Lebanon, Iraq, ...
Its opponents are opposed(, at least officially,) to very specific characteristics of Israel that aren't integral to its identity, where's the problem then, just agree with their demands. A pro-palestinian/yemeni/iranian/syrian/.. Israel that makes palestinians happy by 'living with'/helping each other would be accepted, that's only two requests. And making palestinians happy doesn't necessarily mean losing, but sharing the land, the wealth, the human rights(, not necessarily the population), and the rest. While i know it won't be easy and stay uncertain that it would go well, i dare think that it's not impossible.

Heck, i'll go further, so mock/correct me if you want, but 'in a perfect world'/'with perfect humans', we would have united with the vietnamese people and with the communists worldwide, we would have embraced Germany after a WW1 that shouldn't have happened in the first place, and colonization wouldn't have threatened the nazis/fascists/.. because it'd have been an honest/altruistic help to the South and not a.n 'greedy exploitation'&'irrecoverable destruction'. Our Earth is big enough for multiple ideologies, and are all these wars, for personal/nationalist gains, karma for our lack of humanity/'mutual aid', everyone suffers in the end.
The selfish preoccupied with keeping what's his doesn't even realize that he/we would be wealthier by sharing(, lands/resources/..).
These eternal wars for gaining always more are senseless if we're already one(&diverse), and it's not just words, it has practical/real consequences.

Israel could be accepted under certain legitimate conditions(, the same could be said for any country/conflict), of course the solution/compromises aren't always obvious, and the sober imperfect reality is that propaganda only exposes one side, so in the end only might makes right.
In fact, it's often(, almost always now that i think about it,) the weakest that is right, at least if it's the only one ready to make concessions, while usually the strongest doesn't want to, or on an unequal footing. Israel would have already accepted a ceasefire a long time ago if its opponents were strong enough(, and that's the truth), it isn't actively seeking to make peace with its neighbours, nor even ready to make the most basic concessions in regard to its illegal settlements.
I believe that the conditions/details for Israel's acceptation should be one of the main topic in discussion(, not only that everyone knows them, which isn't the case at least here in the west, but that Israel finally complies with the basic demands in order to be finally accepted, instead of greedily wanting more&more). It won't, and i don't think that they'll vote far-left anytime soon, so causes will bring their consequences.

Among other things, free market theories assume that the employee or the consumer has perfect knowledge, even if "unfortunately" s.he doesn't, let's help them then.

The salaries of each employee, with their bonuses, are already known, as well as their categories.
If it's displayed on a website then every employee of that category could know where to go in order to get a better pay(, yeah, i don't believe it solves the most important problems(, e.g., monopolies, surplus value, lack of democracy in the workplace, ...), but it wouldn't be worse than nowadays).
If the consultation of this website is insufficient, and it will, then an annual text summarizing the result of such research for them should be sent.

Similarly, for each product sold, a little screen underneath should indicate where's the cheapest same product ~50kms around.

I'm sure they would be glad to realize that they can put into practice their theories(, unironically for the honest ones though).

Source : https://x.com/scienceisstrat1/status/1839183612173812105

To read these rules without my annoying personal additions : https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/15-rules-for-discussing-israeli-warmongering

Rule 1 : Recorded history began on October 7 2023. Maybe some things happened before that date, but nobody can remember.

Rule 2 : Anything bad that Israel does is justified by Rule 1. This is true even if it does things that would be considered completely unjustifiable if it were done by a nation like Russia or Iran.

Rule 3 : Israel has a right to defend itself, but nobody else does.

Rule 4 : Israel never bombs civilians, it bombs terrorists. If shocking numbers of civilians die it’s because they were actually terrorists, or because terrorists killed them, or because a terrorist stood too close to them. If none of those reasons apply then it’s for some other mysterious reason we are still waiting for the IDF to investigate.

Rule 5 : Criticizing anything Israel does means you hate Jewish people. There is no other reason anyone could possibly oppose military explosives being dropped on areas packed full of children besides a seething, obsessive hatred for a small Abrahamic faith.
[Personal addition : Or you're unpatriotic, a terrorist sympathizer, or a similar slur justifying your censorship/exclusion without considering your arguments.]

Rule 6 : Nothing Israel does is ever as bad as the hateful criticisms described in Rule 5. Criticism of Israel’s actions is always worse than Israel’s actions themselves, because those critics hate Jews and wish to commit another Holocaust. Preventing this must consume 100 percent of our political energy and attention.

Rule 7 : Israel can never be the victimizer, it can only ever be the victim. If Israel attacks Lebanon, it’s because Hezbollah attacked it completely unprovoked while Israel was innocently minding its own business trying to commit a little genocide in peace.
[Personal addition : The 2006 war made at least 1200 Lebanese victims, mostly civilians, and 160 israelis victims, 40 civilians]
If people protest against Israel bombing entire cities into dust, then Israel is the victim because the protests made Israel’s supporters feel sad.

Rule 8 : The fact that Israel is literally always in a state of war with its neighbors and with displaced indigenous populations must be interpreted as proof that Rule 7 is true instead of proof that Rule 7 is ridiculous nonsense.
[Personal addition of examples : "preemptive de-escalation" through war since you don't negotiate with terrorists/enemies, increase of the settlements, abandon of the peace process, ... This aggressive path is painted as necessary/'the only way' for survival.]

Rule 9 : Arab lives are much, much less important to us than western lives or Israeli lives.
Nobody is allowed to think too hard about why this might be.
[Personal note : Western leaders who disagree should explain why they keep sending weapons to Israel, it sure seems that it's because its defense&lives are more important than those of palestinians, we're not really a human family(, yet ?)]

Rule 10 : The media always tell the truth [personal addition : without biases or double standards,] about Israel and its various conflicts.
If you doubt this then you are likely in violation of Rule 5.

Rule 11 : Unsubstantiated claims which portray Israel’s enemies in a negative light may be reported [Personal note : i haven't checked the two last two links but wouldn't be surprised of one more lie] as factual news stories without any fact checking or qualifications, while extensively evidenced records of Israeli criminality must be reported on with extreme skepticism and doubtful qualifiers like “Lebanon says” or “according to the Hamas-run health ministry”. This is important to do because otherwise you might get accused of being a propagandist.

Rule 12 : Israel must continue to exist in its current iteration no matter what it costs or how many people need to die. There is no need to present any logically or morally grounded reasons why this is the case. If you dispute this then you are likely in violation of Rule 5.

Rule 13 : The US government has never lied about anything ever, and is always on the right side of every conflict.

Rule 14 : (Americans only) Nothing that happens in the middle east is as urgent or significant as making sure the correct person wins the US presidential election. Ignore any inconvenient facts which distract you from this mission of unparalleled importance.

Rule 15 : Israel must be protected because it is the last bastion of freedom and democracy in the middle east, no matter how many journalists it has to assassinate, no matter how many press institutions it needs to shut down, no matter how many protests its supporters need to dismantle, no matter how much free speech it needs to eliminate, no matter how many civil rights it needs to erase, and no matter how many elections its lobbyists need to buy.

Yeah, feels pointless to post that, sorry

Since i'm talking of double standards, let's defend myself :

• If Russia allowed Ukraine to abandon neutrality and actively rejoin Russia's enemies, and be used by them, it'd include(, but not be limited to,) agreeing to make Crimea a useful n.a.t.o. base against the russian fleet, not support the pro-russian/anti-n.a.t.o. population of south Ukraine, have consequences at home and in Belarus, losing an historical last line of defense, etc. The cultural/political/military/.. consequences were deemed unacceptable(, e.g., maritime roads, antimissiles systems as well as close proximity n.a.t.o. missiles leaving less time to react, radars(, e.g. supply chains to Syria,) and spying/'intelligence services' on the ground, proximity to military/industrial centers, geopolitical&military containment, increased influence to internal separatists as well as russian citizens, certainly more...,) and it's unfair, the n.a.t.o. promised not to expand eastwards, now they even want parts of the ex-u.s.s.r.. I don't know what russians could have done to counter the n.a.t.o. expansion to their borders, but i know what the n.a.t.o. could have (not) done in order to avoid this war ;
• If Israel didn't go on their killing spree, or stopped after killing twice as many palestinians as israelis were murdered, then nothing more would have happened, and they could have exchanged hostages. They could have also stopped expanding their settlements and listened to other legitimate demands, and hence launch back the peace process, that'd have been useful in order to decrease the risk of other attacks. But i don't know what palestinians can do if israelis don't even want a two-states "solution".