I literally said disengage and you say this:

Again wanna discuss discuss. Otherwise gtfo with the weird debatebro shit.

Who's being debatebro about it? Once again, disengage means disengage.

Nice motte and bailey. Disengage.

Cool, whatever you say. I wholeheartedly agree

I'm not talking about diaspora Indians.

How am I being racist by pointing out how casteism favors these upper caste people to pave their way to power or that the brahmin diaspora is sangh adjacent.

Really?

[-] southasiansecularist@hexbear.net 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I know a thing or two about brahmins. Cause I am from South India.

Ok let me phrase it in a way you might understand.

CW: Racism

spoiler"Trust me I'm black I know about this stuff. Once a house n***** always a house n*****!"

^ That's essentially what you are doing and what you sound like.

Even if she doesn't, it got her there while the broader brahmin transplants view her only through that. I'm sure all those other brahmin transplants like ramaswamy or usha give some shit to their "heritage".

From what I've seen, diaspora Indians don't really like Kamala. A lot of them don't even see her as Indian and I highly doubt anyone knows her caste. I didn't know it until this post. Those diaspora Indians most likely view her as "black" because that's how she identifies anyways.

Listen critcize her all you want, but all this "sHe BrAhMiN bRo! ahahfdahdhfhasfhdah" shit is pretty fucking weird and low-key racist.

All three of those mentioned come from Brahmin families. What’s up? Or do you actually not know anything about the caste system

You mean the "Brahmin" mother who married a BLACK GUY who writes about Marxist shit? WTF are you on about?

Apparently that user does. Not gonna lie OP is kinda being mega racist.

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Link to vid (CW: it's from Libs of Tiktok): https://xcancel.com/king27yan/status/1779019413666079226?mx=2

She definitely got a little too heated in the moment at the end (she said "we'll see you at your house, we'll murder you"), so just a heads up, the system loves to see this shit and crack down on it. (Even though elected officials can literally call for genocide and all sorts of violence on the marginalized and it's all good).

From the article:

Who is Riddhi Patel?

Riddhi Patel, 28, a pro-Palestine protestor, is accused of 16 felony counts and booked into jail on suspicion of eight counts of intending to terrorize with the threats, and the rest of eight counts of threatening city officials during her speech.

Patel’s contentious remarks directly threatened the council, stating, “You guys want to criminalize us with metal detectors,” followed by, “We’ll see you at your house. We’ll murder you.” She further escalated her rhetoric speech: “I hope one day somebody brings the guillotine and kills all of you motherf******.”

[-] southasiansecularist@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

In addition to what others have said, it's also the model minority thing. There's a good portion about this in a book called "We Too Sing America" by Deepa Ayer. She described a "racial bribe" phenomenon (sorry long quotes coming through, I've bolded important parts):

At times, non-Black communities of color have colluded, consciously and unwittingly, to maintain White supremacy and its racial hierarchy in place. Our positions on the racial ladder in America dictate the opportunities, privileges, and entitlements that are available to us. Blacks are at the bottom, while Whites maintain the top position. Latinos, Arabs, and Asians fall in middle positions. The racial ladder preserves White privilege while propagating anti-Black racism. Racial groups in the middle maintain and reinforce this structure, sometimes with their consent. For example, immigrants of various racial backgrounds internalize racist attitudes toward Black Americans in the process of becoming “Americanized.” In her 1993 essay “On the Backs of Blacks,” author Toni Morrison explains that “the move into mainstream America always means buying into the notion of American blacks as the real aliens. Whatever the ethnicity or nationality of the immigrant, his nemesis is understood to be African American.”

South Asians, Arabs, and other Asians have historically been tempted to take this racial bribe in order to advance to higher positions on the racial hierarchy. We must firmly decline this invitation. When we do so, we can begin to dismantle the racial ladder altogether.

In their book The Miner’s Canary, Lani Guinier and Gerald Torres explain that the racial bribe has four goals: “(1) to defuse the previously marginalized group’s oppositional agenda, (2) to offer incentives that discourage the group from affiliating with black people, (3) to secure high status for individual group members within existing hierarchies, and (4) to make the social position of ‘Whiteness’ appear more racially or ethnically diverse.” That is, non-Black communities of color are often invited to take the racial bribe in order to make the status of Whiteness more appealing and to signal Whites’ openness to diversity.

Why are South Asians especially vulnerable to the racial bribe? The myth of cultural exceptionalism is partly to blame. It promotes the idea that South Asians possess innate cultural characteristics that propel them to succeed and thrive more than other minority groups. This narrative is tied closely to the model minority concept that purports similar views of the intellectual superiority of Asian Americans. The nuanced difference between these two narratives is that cultural exceptionalism is less focused on explicit racial comparisons to other groups, while the model minority narrative explicitly creates a wedge between Asian American and Black communities. Policy makers often exploit the model minority narrative to deny access to benefits to people of color as a whole by claiming that Asian Americans do not need them.

If you wanna read more about it, just look up "We Too Sing America" by Deepa Ayer. Here are some links from Anna's Archive:

https://annas-archive.org/md5/9b7552f3607e8244dd8abe93d3ea2a50 (epub)

https://annas-archive.org/md5/cf043ff43fcc1b4e14db31fa0ece2b9c (pdf)

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She put a cover on her head and just started praying in Punjabi, wtf

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I don't even know where to begin with this. I've had relatives reaching an almost rage state because I was wearing a keffiyeh. I've gone to charity walks and some random uncle asks me where I'm from (basically trying to interrogate whether I'm Muslim or "from Pakistan"). I've seen a temple that I've gone to many times suddenly allow a BJP overseas group to rent their hall. At that same event I just happened to walk in, so I took some shots with my camera only for some thug to try to physically remove my phone from my hand and push me back to the exit/door with the help of his buddies. They immediately were like "why are you wearing Muslim thing?" because I was wearing a keffiyeh (nevermind the fact that I was wearing a regular indian kurta, etc., it was even their "favorite color" orange lol).

These guys are totally foaming from the mouth hindu nationalists (actually fascists is more appropriate) and they're not just in India, they're in the US as well. I've never had any white person say anything to me when I wear a keffiyeh. In fact I've had ppl low key give thumbs ups or say "nice" but with these fucking uncles (and yes they are always middle-aged indian uncles) it's like a coin toss. Some think it looks cool (and have no idea what it means), whereas others see it and immediately think I'm some sort of terrorist. And btw my family is moderately high caste Hindu, and I think caste is complete bullshit, but I only mention it because if these fucking fash uncles don't know that ahead of time, they'll immediatley think you're Muslim/Pakistani/terrorist by the things you wear. I'm going to continue rocking the keffiyeh but fuck these fucks.

Comrades, keep an eye out for these shitheads.

Also would love to hear any sort of stories from other comrades about family/friends/etc who have hindu nationalist views and how you dealt with it.

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