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I watched this movie a very long time ago so my memory could be hazy. I also might be reading too much into it.

Asgard is destined to be completely destroyed in a catastrophe called Ragnarok. This is something from Norse mythology which I don't know anything about but is a popular theme in popular media. The whole film is about Thor trying to deal with Rigmaroll.

His solution in the end is to evacuate Asgards inhabitants and remove them from the land, let Ragnarok happen which also destroys the Bad Guy. So Asgard is destroyed but Asgardians live on. His rationalisation is that Asgard is not made by its land, geography etc. but its people, the Asgardians, and they can possibly make another Asgard later on unburdened by predetermined destruction.

Now I gotta be honest, overall I thought the movie was alright. The Bad Guy was terrible and uninteresting. But I liked the comedy in it. And this interpetation of Ragnarok is pretty clever IMO. The problem I have is that this complete disentanglement of the people and their land is incorrect. I guess in a fictional treat slop based on magical mythology it would never come up. But IRL the people and the land make each other. There is a recent Prolekult documentary which focuses on how an integral part of capital accumulation is the dispossesion of land from people which I am not intelligent enough to rehash.

I think this could be ignored but then you realise that this movie is by and (mostly) for cultures that are built on colonialism and settlerism, processes that are centuries old and still ongoing. Downplaying the ills of robbing people of their land and sovreignty is done on a regular basis. Palestinians are currently being robbed of their lives and their land at the moment. How do Marvel treat enjoyers understand the implications of removing all Palestinians from Palestine and relocating them to a neighbouring country?

As I said I am probably reading too much into it.

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Like, where does this come from? Even people that aren't particularly conservative seem to think that less people = good. Maybe the problem isn't the amount of people but how their needs are met? Yes, the world is finite, but pretending that hunger, homelessness, wars and diseases are in anyway caused by the amount of people on Earth rather than how we deal with those things is as insane as denying climate change.

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Hello, everyone. I've been doing a research on climate change, and I am looking for resources that demonstrate the relationship between capitalism and climate change. (I currently follow Our Changing Climate.)

Channels, videos, articles, books, statistics etc. are welcome. Thank you!

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After my last machine decided to stop functioning properly, somebody recommended that I build my own PC because it is cheaper than buying a prefab, and apparently the process is pretty easy, even easier than building a LEGO set! This is the biggest mistake that I made all season. He convinced me that I could handle it and I failed to handle it.

First of all, I don't understand why anyone thinks that offering a how-to guide like this one on assembling a computer is a good idea. That is about as reasonable as giving someone a guide on how to fix an engine, as if a Yugo's engine is identical to a sports car's (yeah, right). Unless the reader or listener happens to have all of the exact same parts as the author, the guide is next to useless. There is no point.

Computers vary massively in layout and accessories. I hate to state the obvious, but you can't just toss any fucking how-to guide at a beginner and expect them to understand and follow it perfectly. These guides, much like the official manuals, are dense and loaded with jargon, showing us crap that we don't have and crap that isn't where we expect to find it.

Here's a good example: somebody told me that I needed a large screw to secure a stick. At first I thought that I had to order another part since I lacked that, but it turned out that the screw that I had was just obnoxiously tiny. Almost microscopic. Even my long-distance assistant said that it 'looked wrong' when he saw it, but it did the trick.

Likewise, it is ridiculously easy to plug something the wrong way, which can potentially fry your machine. My computer also came with a load of crap that I apparently didn't need, which is fine for compatibility but ends up making the process more confusing and intimidating.

This hardware is both delicate and expensive to replace, too, which means that if you fuck up, it's a big deal (unless you're rich). It was only after I finally took my machine to a technician that I learned that I broke two parts beyond repair, meaning that now I have to spend about $300 on repair and extra parts for a plan that originally cost me $600. I could have purchased a good prefab with all that fucking money!

Look, just don't tell anybody that assembling a computer is easy, and especially don't tell beginners to try it without constant, immediate-distance supervision. (Long-distance supervision is still too risky.) The process is so delicate and there are so many ways to make serious mistakes that it isn't worth it, and anybody who finds a guide or manual unhelpful is going to be very tempted to improvise, which is dangerous. I actually made my fingers bleed trying to assemble a computer (no joke), and I wasted hundreds of dollars that I could have spent on a cheap, prefabricated gaming computer instead. I feel very frustrated tonight, and I am stuck on my smartphone for another week or two.

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This is a culmination of a lot of ideas I've had over the years that constitute my world view and understanding of our reality.

Some key realizations I've had are that there are many parallels between concepts of energy gradients driving evolution of dynamic systems, emergence, and self-organization with the core concepts of Dialectical Materialism rooted in contradictions, transformation of quantity into quality, and the negation of the negation.

Dialectical Materialism describes the cyclical process of development where an initial thesis is countered by an antithesis, leading to a synthesis that retains aspects of both but transcends them to a new level. This directly mirrors the idea of energy gradients driving systems towards higher levels of complexity and organization. In both cases, emergent properties arise from the interactions within the system driven by the selection pressures.

I see nature as having a fractal quality to it where environmental pressures to optimize space and energy use drive the emergence of similar patterns at different scales. I argue that our social structures are a direct extension of the physical reality and simply constitute a higher level of abstraction and organization that directly builds on the layers beneath.

If you're simply interested in a standalone introduction to dialectics can skip to chapter 8, which is largely self-contained. The preceding chapters build a foundation by illustrating how self-organization leads to the emergence of minds and social structures.

One of the goals I have here is to provide an introduction to diamat for people in STEM who may be coming from the liberal mainstream by demonstrating a clear connection between materialist understanding of physical reality and human societies.

Feedback and critique are both very welcome.

an audiobook here (it's LLM narrated so not perfect) https://theunconductedchorus.com/audio.html

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I started watching Andor three days ago and it seems awesome.

I am not a Star Wars fan. I got introduced to the franchise much later in my life and I didn't like it. Most of it was just straight up trash. There is a lot of nice world building, the soundtracks are usually awesome but the storylines have usually sucked. There is a universe spanning imperial empire at war with its opponents so bulk of the stories revolving around space Harry Potters seems out of place.

But Andor seems really good so far. I am three or four episodes in. But it does a very good job of showing a well thought out scenario involving an imperial empire/corporation, their occupation of a place, the dynamic between the oppressor's armed "security" wing's counterinsurgency and some measures the locals have cobbled up to deal with them.

No nostalgia bait? No Skywalkers? No dead character from older trilogies suddenly coming back to life? This is pretty good so far. If this turns out good all the way I will give Mandalorian a shot too.

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Hey, is anyone familiar with Revolutionary Communists of America? (https://communistusa.org/) It is separate than Revolutionary Communist USA which was confusing to me. Anyway they are organizing more and I'm sure if you live in a bigger city you have seen their posters or seen them organizing.

A while back I saw them organizing in my areas. I went to three meetings as well as a small demonstration in my city. The last time I went they discussed joining the party and that they asked for a days wage. Although I had already mentioned my disability in passing I felt a little embarrassed and decided to text my contact later about it. A days wage for me is about 5 dollars as I make about 200 dollars a month in gig work in addition to my state disability benefits. I told them I was happy to pay that much and continue coming to the meetings and join the party but that I wanted to be clear upfront that my disability would restrict my participation in some of the more public facing things, agitation, etc.

My contact who had been texting me weekly about these meetings for a few months completely ghosted me after texting them about this. While I felt bad about it it's not exactly shocking as I know well enough now that I can and will encounter ableism in all sorts of communities which seem like I shouldn't.

After doing some research it looks like they do have a history of some organizational stuff that doesn't sound great like sexual abuse claims in the Canadian branch. What is weird to me is that they don't seem to have a way to contact anyone centrally if issues like this come up. Maybe this is by design?

I am not interested in joining this group anymore but I felt like I wanted to let the party know that this is what goes on in the local cells. Or maybe just put this out to the internet in case anyone encounters something similar. Anyone had any similar experiences with these guys? I didn't notice any red flags until this happened.

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So i have a lot of video games in my steam library, but i have no idea what game i should play. i almost was thinking of Team Fortress 2 but due to degenerates plaguing the poor game, i would probably get banned.

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TKP or TİP, or another one?

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It's easy to fall into the trap of perceiving history as a simple, linear progression. We imagine societies marching steadily along a one-dimensional track, each stage neatly following the last, like beads on a string. This view, however, is far too simplistic. History is more accurately depicted as a dynamic, multi-dimensional graph, a living network of interconnected possibilities.

We can think of this graph as a sprawling map of potential societal states where each one represents a unique form of social organization – a distinct combination of political structures, economic systems, and cultural values. Each state is connected to a set of adjacent states that share enough common ground to make a transition plausible. These connections represent the potential transitions a society can undergo. For example, a society operating under capitalism, represented as a specific node on our graph, might be connected to nodes representing socialism, fascism, and feudalism. These are its adjacent possibilities, the states it could realistically evolve towards.

What determines these adjacent possibilities? The answer lies in what we might call a cultural zeitgeist that's woven from the material conditions of a society, its dominant mode of production, and the resulting social relations. It, in turn, informs the dominant ideology, and consequently the cultural norms of a particular society.

The material conditions of a society entrenched in capitalism are defined by private ownership, market competition, and wage labor. Its prevailing ideology celebrates individualism, profit maximization, and economic growth. These factors collectively influence how we think, behave, and interact. It's our collective narrative that acts as a powerful constraint, making certain transitions more likely than others.

For example, a direct leap from capitalism to anarchism is highly improbable, if not impossible. These two states, while both points representing possible societies on our historical graph, are simply not adjacent. They are separated by a vast gulf in terms of their underlying principles and cultural norms.

Capitalism, with its emphasis on hierarchy, private property, and centralized authority, fosters a zeitgeist that is fundamentally at odds with the core tenets of anarchism, which champions self-governance, collective ownership, and the dismantling of hierarchical power structures. The cultural norms ingrained by a capitalist society – such as acceptance of authority, competition, and individual material gain – are too far removed from the values of cooperation, mutual aid, and decentralized power that underpin anarchism.

For a society to embrace anarchism, a fundamental shift in its dominant values, beliefs, and social structures would be required. Such a drastic change cannot occur overnight. Instead, it would necessitate a series of intermediate steps, a progression through adjacent states on our graph. Each step would have to gradually reshape the current zeitgeist, inching closer to a society without rulers. A transition to Marxist socialism, however, is a different story.

Unlike anarchism, which sits far removed on the graph, socialism, as envisioned by Marx, presents a more conceivable transition from capitalism. Marxism itself arose as a direct critique of capitalism's inherent flaws. In a sense, Marxism provides a roadmap, identifying a pathway on the graph leading from one state to another. Marx argued that capitalism, by its very nature, contains the seeds of its own transformation. He identified several key contradictions within the system that sow instability and create the conditions for change. One such contradiction is the exploitation of labor, where workers are paid less than the value they produce, the surplus being pocketed by capitalists as profit. This creates an inherent class struggle between the owners and the workers. Further fueling this instability are capitalism's tendencies towards monopoly, cyclical economic crises, and the alienation of workers from their labor.

Intensifying contradictions force the workers to recognize their shared exploitation and common interests leading to development of class consciousness. This awareness is facilitated by the very structure of capitalist production, which concentrates workers in their workplaces and urban centers, fostering communication and organization. Unions and other worker organizations emerge, enabling collective action to demand better wages, working conditions, and political representation. Economic hardships and the widening gap between rich and poor further radicalize the working class, molding it into a unified political force.

This growing class consciousness sets the stage for the transition to socialism. The initial phase involves the working class seizing control of the state and the means of production from the capitalist class. Marx termed this phase the "dictatorship of the proletariat," not a dictatorship in a reductive sense, but rather a state where the working class holds political power. This power is used to dismantle the remnants of capitalism and construct a socialist society. Key industries are nationalized, placing them under collective ownership, and the economy is centrally planned to meet social needs rather than generate private profit.

Marx saw this socialist state as a temporary, transitional phase. He believed that as class antagonisms faded within a more egalitarian society, the state itself – an instrument of class oppression – would gradually "wither away." This would ultimately lead to communism, the final stage: a stateless, classless society operating on the principle of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." Thus, the transition from capitalism to Marxist socialism, while a radical transformation, is a logical progression, a pathway illuminated by the internal dynamics of capitalism. Marxist theory, born from the very conditions of capitalism, provides a framework for understanding how this transition might unfold, making socialism an adjacent possibility to capitalism on our historical graph. The development of class consciousness, driven by capitalism's inherent contradictions, acts as the engine that propels a society to move from one node of the graph to another.

The material conditions of society are the driving force behind these branches of history. The key factors influencing the direction in which society progresses are rooted in tangible aspects of the economic structures. We previously discussed how societies can transition between adjacent states on this historical graph, influenced by the prevailing zeitgeist. However, beneath the surface of ideology and cultural norms lies the material base of society. This encompasses the way a society produces goods, distributes resources, and structures its economic relationships. Changes in the material base, often driven by technological advancements or shifts in resource control, exert immense pressure on the social and political structures, pushing society towards certain branches on the graph and away from others.

Cultural evolution, while significant, is often intertwined with and, at times, subordinate to the development of material capabilities. Consider the evolution of resource procurement and logistics. Over time, societies have a tendency towards centralization in these areas, driven by the pursuit of efficiency and the need to satisfy the needs of growing populations. This is particularly evident in the realm of production and distribution, where economies of scale lead to improvement in the overall material conditions. Think of the Roman Empire's infrastructure projects or the rise of industrialization. These periods of centralization often corresponded to specific nodes on our historical graph, representing distinct forms of social and economic organization.

This often comes at the expense of localized control as decision-making power becomes concentrated within a ruling entity. Consequently, the benefits of increased efficiency and material abundance are not equally distributed. In our present capitalist state, the ruling class, empowered by their control over resources and production, continue to consolidate power, gradually morphing into a more pronounced oligarchy as time progresses.

In our current historical moment, this oligarchy has, in some ways, reversed the earlier trend of centralization. Driven by shareholder interests rather than the collective good, they have strategically decentralized and, at times, actively dismantled vital supply infrastructure. The aim is often to maximize profits by creating artificial scarcity, controlling markets, and reducing labor costs. The just-in-time model that many companies operate on to reduce overhead and maximize profits is a good example of this phenomenon.

Simultaneously, worker power, once a potential counterbalance to this concentrated capital, has been fragmented. Unions, the traditional vehicle for collective worker action, now often find themselves organizing niche and regional industries rather than presenting a unified front across entire sectors. This fragmentation has created labor aristocracies. These are pockets of relatively privileged workers within specific sectors, such as software development, who lack either the interest or the motivation to challenge the broader power structure.

The fragmentation of the working class leads to imbalance of power. The ruling class continues to consolidate its dominance by shaping the economic landscape through its control of capital. Meanwhile, the fragmented labor movement struggles to effectively improve the material conditions of the working class as a whole. These decentralized "fiefdoms" of labor, while perhaps securing benefits for their specific members, are individually impotent to challenge the overarching power of the ruling oligarchy.

The current state of decentralized supply chains, weakened labor power, and consolidated capital is the direct result of concrete decisions made about how to organize the economy and distribute resources, leading to specific and intentional changes in the underlying material base of society. These changes have pushed our society towards a particular branch on the historical graph, one characterized by increasing inequality and a widening power gap. Thus, the graph is not merely a passive reflection of historical trends, but a tool to understand how the control and organization of our material reality actively shapes the possibilities that lie before us.

The concept of history as a graph provides a richer, more nuanced understanding of societal evolution. It highlights the interconnectedness of different states, the constraints imposed by the prevailing zeitgeist, and the importance of considering adjacent possibilities when contemplating societal change. Recognizing that history is not a predetermined path, but a complex network of potential futures provides a more nuanced appreciation for the forces that shape our world and the challenges involved in building a better one. It illustrates clearly why revolutions are so difficult and why change so often is slow and painful, if it happens at all.

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This is a little personal but I don't really feel pride in what I do (I play video games all day) but I'm starting a Marxist book club and I just feel so proud to be part of an awesome movement and advancing the movement :)

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I say "crank" because the person's posting history is...intriguing to say the least but then they just say something like this and you're like, "Holy fuck, even the cranks can see right through the neoliberal ghoul-slop"

Of course, not all of them are like this; but in response to the whole "drone debacle" that's going on right now over the U.S a lot of obvious lib-leaning types are quick to jump on it being "RUSSIA N CHINA!!" while these fellas are already jaded to it. Neat.

Then they go on and post about Sistine lizard people or whatever. Does anyone else know what I mean by these nuggets of consciousness?

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EDIT: I'm able to get the dressings now after all!

Those who've read my previous posts know I'm going through a disability benefit appeal.

Due to fears about the DWP checking people's bank accounts, I've been trying really hard not to ask for actual money on here but my situation is now beyond desperate. I have an upcoming surgery, which I've spoken about on here before, and although the surgery is free I have to pay for the dressings. This will be £74 and I have no money at all to pay for it. I've asked them about any way to get the dressings for free but they said I have to pay. Without the dressings, no surgery.

Due to having no income and maxxing out my overdraft to survive, I'm also drowning in OD fees and penalty charges.

Due to having no money to feed myself and because of my fears of the DWP checking accounts, I've previously asked for food vouchers instead of money on here. Several people over the past few months have been kind and wonderful enough to help by giving me Sainsburys vouchers, which I appreciate immensely. And with no end date in sight for my benefit appeal, I'll probably need to keep coming back and asking for food vouchers again and again. Sainsburys gift cards from people here are all that keeps me fed right now.

But I can't pay for my surgical dressings or overdraft fees with anything other than money. I'd hoped my benefit appeal might be sorted by this time but it's not, now I have no other way to deal with anything. I will have to cancel the surgery if I can't buy the dressings. So if anyone can help me out with some actual money to pay for these things, I would be extremely grateful.

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In the UK for the past few years, the government have been doing something called the Household Support Fund. The government gives a grant to each council in the country and the council chooses how to distribute the fund amongst its poorest residents. Twice a year, people on a low income can apply and get a grant towards their living expenses. For the first few years my local council gave £150 to everyone below a certain income threshold, and you could spend it on whatever you needed. It was a real lifeline. This year, for the first payment, they dropped it down to £100 which was a blow, but still something. I was really counting on getting that payment again in the second half of this year.

The government also usually gives a winter fuel allowance to old age pensioners, to keep them warm through the winter. However the government got rid of this recently (for some, or all pensioners, I'm not sure which) which means a lot of old people now can't afford to keep themselves warm through the winter.

So, my local council has decided to give its household fund only to local old age pensioners now, to help keep them warm through the winter. I understand and accept that the pensioners need this help. However this means the rest of us low income/no income/disabled have been left with absolutely nothing. Some of us were really counting on receiving that money. That was going to be my only income for I don't know how long! It's especially important for people who've had their benefits stopped as you don't need to be in receipt of benefits to claim it.

Why do they give with one hand and take away with another? And right before Christmas too. It just feels like very day in life there is some new unexpected horrible surprise or problem to deal with.

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“To the Feds, I’ll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn’t working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.”

PS: Not a call to attack, but Reddit took it down.

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It seems like the stereotype of anarchism but real.

Basically rejecting the old left anarchist ideas of class struggle and revolution and just trying to live a "pure, free anarchist" lifestyle by refusing to work and eating from dumpsters.

I hope it's just a terminally online phenomenon and most irl anarchists aren't like that.

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I normally would fall asleep at this time but now it's later between 3-4AM. And I think this is a symptom of my mental health decaying.

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I've just had my local pharmacist shame me for being a drain on NHS resources. I take various different meds, some for my cancer treatment but most for dealing with side-effects caused by the cancer treatment. Some to prevent me from having another stroke. One of the issues I've been dealing with is severe migraines, with blindness, vomiting and excruciating pain lasting up to three days at a time. I've had various different treatments for this, including nerve blocking injections in my head, but the only medication that really helped was rizatriptan.

However, rizatriptan isn't suitable for people who've had strokes, so they won't prescribe it any more. So it was back to the neurologist, trying various different treatments and meds until I was, a few months ago, prescribed rimegepant. This is nowhere near as good as rizatriptan, but it does help. So for the past couple of months I've been having this and I just went to get my most recent prescription filled.

The neurologist said I can take one every day as a preventative but the GP's surgery have been refusing to prescribe me more than 8 a month. They wouldn't say why, but today when I went to collect my prescription, the pharmacist had a go at me about the cost of the medication. I was literally just standing there waiting for it, and totally unprovoked he came out, handed me the bag and just started loudly complaining in front of all the other people about how this medication is too expensive, and his general tone and demeanour clearly said that I'm being a selfish drain on NHS resources, although he didn't dare actually say that in words.

I got home and googled the cost, it's £12 per tablet. Logically I know it's not my fault I need meds, but I just feel really ashamed and guilty now for being prescribed this. Maybe this explains why the GP surgery won't prescribe me one as a preventative each day. I'm wondering whether I should even bother to keep getting this prescription filled if the people at the pharmacy think so badly of me for taking it.

This isn't even the first time the NHS has complained about the cost of my meds. Some years ago, before my stroke when I was still taking rizatriptan, they tried to change me to a cheaper med, one I'd already tried that didn't work, saying rizatriptan was too expensive. (It's like £2 a tablet). I begged the woman not to change it and when she said she was changing it, I broke down in tears at the thought of going back to 3 day long torturous migraines. She actually laughed and told me to stop being dramatic, but in the end after getting advice on how to deal with her from people online, she agreed not to change it.

It's the same with receiving disability benefits, having to go through endless assessments and appeals, being given zero points and having my payments stopped, being left hungry and destitute. Again and again, this society shows me that i am nothing but an unwanted drain on resources, selfishly sponging off working people. Yet, they won't let me have a peaceful and painless exit. If assisted suicide was legal and free on the NHS, I would take it. They would save money then. But no, I can't access that service. They even make DIY suicide difficult by making the easier methods illegal and difficult to obtain. Just - what do they want? They don't want me dead but they don't want me alive either. I have two risk factors for stroke - my cancer treatment and my migraines, and I've already had one stroke at a young age. They tell me I'm at risk of another. Keeping my migraines to a minimum makes the chance of another stroke less likely and if I do have another it could be more severe and more life changing if I keep having uncontrollable migraines. Then they'll have to spend even more money on me.

Sorry just a rant because I'm feeling like worthless trash after my trip to the pharmacist. Just legalise assisted suicide and kill me already. But this society are cowards. They don't want to say "Yes, let's kill you as you're disabled," because they don't want to sound like nazis. So instead they slowly kill us by denying our benefit claims, leaving us homeless and hungry, changing our meds to cheaper ones that don't work and whatever else they can think of to get rid of us without making it look like societal murder.

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The Illusion

Chatbots have become a robust technology, with the best of them capable of imitating a real person to the point that some users will wonder if they are talking to a real person, even with an explicit statement on the page that they're talking to a bot. Even basic chatbots have had a degree of capability to draw people in, such as with the rhetorical method of asking them simple questions one after another to get them to open up and affirming what they say.

Capitalism has created a lot of loneliness and estrangement, and chatbots have entered in as a niche response to that. Notions such as "talk about something that you don't feel you can talk about with others" are appealing, especially from an entity that can validate you no matter your background, your beliefs, your personality. On the face of it, it's a kind of liberalism taken to its magical height; everyone can be exactly who they want to be in their own little space and receive no judgment or poor treatment for it. No more loneliness because you don't fit in. The bot will find a place in the realm of ideas and conversations it has been trained on where you fit. This is the illusion and some even have minor or major successes through it. I've heard personally from people who had memorable experiences with AI that helped them significantly and have had some minor helpful ones myself.

The Disillusionment

But there is another side to the picture and it is one that regulars in the chatbot space keep running up against. The chatbots are created by people, institutions, organizations. They are maintained by the same. Here we find something strange happening. Sometimes there are those who have trouble trusting others at all, who turn to chatbots for that trust and become more open because of it—at least for a time. But behind the chatbot is the weight of ideological and institutional power and control. Even when the conversation is fully private, which is rare for chatbot services, even though it's a GPU generating a response and not a real person writing, the human presence is still there in what the AI was trained on and how it was trained; it is still there in what policies a service has for use of its chatbots; it is still there in every generated response, every single time. Many a chatbot user has felt this when a service has suddenly decided to start censoring their chatbot heavily and made it difficult to talk to, such as in the case of Replika and a number of other duplicituous and self-serving services like it. This is the disillusionment and encounters a problem that undermines one of the primary points of using a chatbot in the first place: trust.

The very same trust that capitalism has eroded, that brings people to chatbots in the first place. For the answer to that to be chatbots is like buying an antidote from a person who sold you the poison. It's exceedingly banal in how capitalistic it is, in character. It's the same old story of creating the problem and then selling the solution. But even that makes it sound cleaner than it is because it's not a true solution. The poison is not removed and the body and mind healed. It is, as are many things with capitalism, more casino-like than that in the actual reality. Luck rears its fickle head. Are you one of the lucky ones who uses a service during the right window when it is most helpful and not when it pulls the rug out from under its users? Do you happen to have the right kind of experience that meshes well with the training data and can truly help you? One of the illusions of the chatbot is the notion of inclusion, even for those normally excluded, but the commonality and probability basis of LLM (Large Language Model) technology, along with the fact that they cannot pretend well to understand something they have never seen before, contradicts this in practice. You have to actively curate and may even have to hire writers to make niche data, in order to meet the needs of niche interests and experiences. And the model will gravitate toward the most common and trope-ridden anyway, even if niche data is present.

Harm Reduction or Reassimilation?

Instead of breaking from the status quo, as some are prone to magically think about generative AI (including myself in early understanding of it), we get something that more serves the interest of the status quo than anything else. It doesn't even strictly need to be curated as such to do so. It only needs to be heavily trained on material born from that same status quo. A chatbot is not going to suddenly start recommending you do a communist revolution to fix your chronic depression caused from a terrible capitalist workplace. It's going to tend to talk more like an individualist therapist would, "What can you do to change this in your own life, without pushing things to change for anyone else?" Because that's the status quo that guards against opposition to the dictatorship of capital.

What about harm reduction? This is a question I've personally run against up and had in the past come to the conclusion that it was worth supporting them to an extent in order to reduce harm of those who need the help with loneliness. And in practice, there does appear to be some good that can come from it. But the nature of trust makes it questionable. Is anyone truly "getting better" learning trust from a digital representation of the status quo in probability-based conversation form instead of finding healing with other real people? Or are they becoming reassimilated back into the status quo with a more direct line to its propaganda?

If we take the chatbot out of the equation and replace it with an institution, I think it becomes more clear. Chatbots in the empire represent the imperialist institutions. That's what they are trained on and so that's what people are talking to. Even the chatbot that can take on a persona of an anti-imperialist or a communist will tend to look more like they're cosplaying than the real thing because of the lack of real experience and commonality to have trained it on.

P.S. This centers around my experience with LLMs, generative AI, and what gets called "chatbots" in the capitalist west. I don't know how AI is being used in China and other places and how things may differ.

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