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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 63 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Rant

I fucking hate liberals. I thought writing out my comment would make me feel better but it did the opposite.

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I saw mention of David Simon on Bluesky and I wondered what he had to say about Gaza and genocide. I found a tweet that is quite something. I had to read it a few times because he obfuscates. I've always thought it's funny when something can be phrased simply but the person can't do that. To me it's a Freudian slip. They are so arrogant and obnoxious they convince themselves that confusing and muddled text makes their self-defined iron-clad case even stronger.

He refuses to mention any place or group by name. He avoids words like Gaza, Gazans, Israel, Israelis. I might be wrong but I don't think even the UN does that when taking about a specific location with a specific war and not some abstract, theoretical debate club bullshit. He claims what's happening in Gaza is not a genocide because there has been no intention by Israel to destroy or mass murder the populace.

Also - hypothetically - if somebody makes civilians suffer or targets them that guy is a war criminal. Obviously - that's kind of weird. Israel isn't just small bunch of guys in Gaza committing war crimes. In any case - he says they should be prosecuted fully. After that he pokes fun at people who in his opinion - intentionally or not - misuses the words genocide and war criminal.

He believes the silly people conflate horrific-but-oopsie mass death and suffering as genocide when he says that some undefined group might be war criminals.

If with intent, you attempt to mass murder a people by any means -- starvation included -- it is a genocide. But if the prosecution of a war results in human desperation without the intention of a belligerent to destroy or mass murder the populace, no. That said. If you are needlessly indifferent to the sufferings of civilians, or if you work to maximize or increase that suffering, or if you target civilians without regard for their status, I'd say you are a war criminal.

Few people are acknowledging that even war crimes, which should be prosecuted fully, are not genocides. They use the words interchangeably now as rhetoric.

https://xcancel.com/AoDespair/status/1827461170963656899#m

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Ninja edit

Despite myself I kept looking around at his tweets. He also praised Israel's pager terror attack. Because of course he did.

You can call it terror or you can it a war. But certainly, throwing rockets without regard to where they land is indiscriminate, as are, perhaps, many of the Israeli air sorties in reply. Civilians are at great risk. This business with the pagers, purchased for use by Hezbollah combatants and officials, is pretty damn discriminate as weapons systems go.

https://xcancel.com/AoDespair/status/1836783946178134277#m

[–] GrumpigPoopBalls@hexbear.net 54 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Israel: We are want to kill or expel every single person in gaza

Palestinians: israel is actively trying to kill or expel all of us

maybe-later-honey : you can't just throw around the term "genocide" when there is no intention to mass murder or displace the populace!

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 38 points 2 months ago (1 children)

When the typical ignoramus idiot on the net says stuff that's nonsense - I just ignore it. But Simon knows what Israel does and how they do it. He knows all that stuff in possibly minute detail. But he lies about everything. I'm certain he's aware of the estimate made by the Lancet in July that ~186,000 or more Gazans were killed directly or indirectly by Israel. He can do math. He knows it's possible if not probable that Israel killed ~10% of the population of Gaza which was 2.3 million pre genocide. And god only knows how many injured.

It's kind of frightening to me that some liberals will defend Israel the US to their dying breath. Seriously - what would it take for them to admit they're wrong?

[–] Ideology@hexbear.net 17 points 2 months ago

Seriously - what would it take for them to admit they're wrong?

When it personally affects them.

[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 36 points 2 months ago (1 children)

these are indeed heady concepts david, with many balancing factors and tradeoffs. if only there were some objective measure we could use to compare this situation, like say number of civilians killed, number of hospitals/schools/pieces of civil infrastructure/places of worship destroyed, or number of journalists executed. if we had something like that we could begin to cut this gordian knot as posed by your incisive rhetoric, but alas

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm tempted to learn if he has carefully defined and delineated what a journalism is in Gaza so he can downplay their murders. I'm sure my hunch is right and he's snidely demoted them to being something like "citizen bloggers" or "Tiktokers" or "posters" or whatever. But maybe he'd even admit that their killings if intentional are war crimes that should be prosecuted. As if it's hard to tell when Israel does targeted killing. Like when they merc paramedics who are driving down the road in their well-marked ambulance. Or they blow up a hospital.

He'd never admit to what it really comes down to. I bet if push comes to shove - he thinks of journalists or doctors or paramedics or any civilian getting maimed, injured or killed (in Lebanon and Gaza and perhaps in Iran soon) as little more than human shields.

[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago

yeah there's no one who can say anodyne shit like that about gaza without intentionally doing so to cover and whitewash genocide. he clearly deserves to play a starring role in that minecraft sequel. these big brain data driven academy addicts spout all their shit while ignoring the really obvious and objective metrics that can be used to actually analyze and compare these atrocities

[–] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

without the intention of a belligerent to destroy or mass murder the populace, no

the function of something is what it does. no intentions or otherwise