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Hexbear's new head of operations just dropped, and their way of dealing with the fallout of their last struggle session is to hand bans out like candy to their concerned and disillusioned users while throwing out "epic" quips like insecure teenagers along the way coupled with their communication (and seemingly contempt) towards their own userbase which isn't helping their allegations at all and the revelations that were learned about Hexbear's moderators and admins from their most recent struggle session.

The last few days have honestly shaken my faith in Hexbear and their team and I hope the mods and admins at Lemmygrad are monitoring the situation closely.

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[–] multitotal@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Try giving the slightest bit of evidence for your point that participation is de-facto mandatory.

The fact that you're behaving like an unhinged zealot who just heard a random person on the street say something negative about their cult leads me to believe that your cult-like practice is in fact cult-like.

[–] robinn_@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I’m not behaving like an unhinged zealot, I’m asking you to give evidence of what you’re saying, because what you’re saying is wrong.

Me not pointing out that your arguments are nonsense is proof you’re right because nobody is arguing against you, but if I do so I am showing the cult-like tendency of attacking disbelievers. It’s all very simple really.

You’re deflecting. And no, saying something is “cult-like” doesn’t prove it’s “cult-like.” Actually a pathetic attempt to flip the conversation.

[–] multitotal@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Your whole attitude towards me from the start was negative and confrontational. I expressed an opinion and you said I should delete my account, called me an idiot, questioned my mental faculties, and then shouted at me in all caps. what kind of response did you expect?

I’m asking you to give evidence

For what purpose when you know I don't have any? I don't go on hexbear, I did just recently to see all this drama, so I'm not gonna be able to give you any evidence because I am basing my impression on posts that may not be indicative of the wider community and on the comments of others.

what you’re saying is wrong.

OK, I'm happy to accept that. I am wrong, you are right. But it is all right, everything is all right, the struggle is finished. I won the victory over myself. I love Big Brother.

[–] robinn_@hexbear.net 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Your whole attitude towards me from the start was negative and confrontational. I expressed an opinion and you said I should delete my account, called me an idiot, questioned my mental faculties, and then shouted at me in all caps. what kind of response did you expect?

Just one response with the semblance of a correct point. What did you expect when you got a response to your original comment explaining why it was wrong and decided to smugly misunderstand it and continue digging your hole with awful arguments and bad info?

Can you get out of your Orwell irony for one second? You admit you know nothing about the site, and yet use irony to deflect from admitting you’re wrong. I’m not asking you to submit to anything, you’re not in a dystopia, you thought there were daily threads where users were expected to say something and there weren’t. There never were. And no “we were always at war with Eurasia” nonsense. Just stop.

[–] multitotal@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What did you expect when you got a response to your original comment explaining why it was wrong and decided to smugly misunderstand it and continue digging your hole with awful arguments and bad info?

Not to be insulted for one. I made a general comment about a whole website, and here you are insulting me personally. Did I insult you? Did I say "hexbear, and especially robinn_"??

decided to smugly misunderstand it

I decided to misunderstand it? Misunderstand implies one didn't understand something, saying I decided to misunderstand makes no sense because you're saying I understood the point but chose to interpret it incorrectly, and that's a different accusation entirely.

use irony to deflect from admitting you’re wrong.

I said I was wrong. Wrong about it being a daily thread.

[–] robinn_@hexbear.net 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

My insults are actually very straightforward and not revenge for being insulted in the first place. I insulted your intelligence because your replies are unintelligent.

I think your misunderstanding is a product of your needing to be right alongside poor reading comprehension. You decided to be cemented in your beliefs rather than take a closer look.

Lastly, check the chronological order and what comments you’re replying to. Please don’t keep replying to me, it’s the same thing over and over again.

[–] multitotal@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 days ago

My insults are actually very straightforward and not revenge for being insulted in the first place.

I know, because I never insulted you.

I insulted your intelligence because your replies are unintelligent.

Perhaps they are unintelligible, but I don't think they are unintelligent.

You decided to be cemented in your beliefs rather than take a closer look.

Yeah, and you ran a perfect campaign for me to do so, calling me a "fucking idiot" from the first response. But I am the one who should just take insult after insult, do what you want me to do, all so I could in the end agree with you. No. I won't do what you tell me.

check the chronological order and what comments you’re replying to.

Kinda hard to do when my inbox is being bombarded by people from the place that is totally-not-a-cult.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Hi. As someone that is no longer on the admin team but was in favor of TC69 stepping down after all this, you just sound like you're trying to mask transphobia behind a critique of a single user. The memes about TC69 come from the fact that she was the one that spearheaded the pronoun tags and the removal of downvotes to combat transphobia, both of which resulted in massive struggle sessions and ban waves that ultimately made the site better, now this situation is different but no more volatile than any previous upheavals. No investigation no right to speak.

People were literally downvote brigading any tans-positive post anonymously before we made it so that admins could see who the driveby downvotes came from to take action. That led to the removal of the downvote altogether which has had a majorly positive impact on the site as a whole, so there is a reason she was trusted and well liked when she returned.

[–] multitotal@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

you just sound like you’re trying to mask transphobia

You wouldn't accuse me of being transphobic if I posted in that thread. Why do you have to assume that just because I don't engage in your liberal performative rituals that I am against whatever that ritual is about? And then you also say "posting in those threads isn't mandatory". Yeah, if you don't want to be considered a transphobe.

IRL, I've both educated people on trans issues, pronouns and advocated for removing transphobic people from spaces. So that's why the accusation feels like an insult rather than a judgment on me or my behaviour. Feel free to go through my entire post history on lemmygrad and find something that can be construed or interpreted as transphobic.

so there is a reason she was trusted and well liked when she returned.

I read her 1-2 recent posts on hexbear and she doesn't sound like a good person to me, she sounds egoistic. I wasn't there to see the hexbear cultural revolution and start of the golden age, I am not claiming to know everything. I gave my impressions on Hexbear in a thread on Hexbear. Or wait, was this one of those "I love Hexbear" ritual threads? Dammit! I'm terrible at reading social cues.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Which person are you talking about because I was referring only to the I Love My Trans Comrades posts that you seem to have some sort of issue with hence the accusation.

[–] multitotal@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Which person are you talking about

TC69

I was referring only to the I Love My Trans Comrades posts that you seem to have some sort of issue with

I don't have a problem with that thread in particular, I have a problem with a "I love x" in general. As an autist my whole life I have been outside looking in. I see social rituals as exclusionary, because I could never pick up on the cues or know which "non mandatory" things are actually mandatory. So when I see an expression of a shared micro-culture online (like a forum) it makes me weary because from my experience 1) people who develop a "shared culture" often expect you to not have any other cultures, 2) group goes through purges and "purifications". Can you take a wild guess who'd be one of the first ones to be purged?

And why? Look, people have accused me of being transphobic because I don't use the same language, same signifiers and symbols or ways of talking/thinking, and because I went against what is apparently established canon or whatever. Do you see now why I might be weary of joining any group where I think that some sort of wink-wink signaling to one another might be necessary?

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I have a problem with a "I love x" in general

That is your problem not ours or our comrades who feel validated by such posts.

established canon or whatever.

Wtf do you mean by this? What language do you not use and why don't you simply adopt new words into your vocabulary? As an ML surely you have done so in the past. All this just comes off as excuses for bigotry. Hell every single one of us is always adapting our language as we learn new words and concepts this is a really weird and honestly sus argument.

As an autist my whole life

Also quite fuckin insulting to use being ND as a shield.

[–] multitotal@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

OK. And am I over on hexbear telling you all this and arguing that you should change things? No, I'm on lemmygrad in a thread discussing hexbear. Now all you hexbearians are here angry that someone has an opinion on hexbear. Or is the problem that the opinion is expressed on a website where you don't have control? Instead people come here from hexbear to insult me and brigade me like the totally-not-cultists that they are.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I don't give a fuck about whatever you think about hexbear I am calling you out for the fact you are using this drama to voice your transphobic concern trolling.

Damn almost like this is the intended use case for federation....

in a thread discussing hexbear