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i can't even guess as to why they went quiet. not one guess at all. we will never know.

edit: well they're not quiet now once they get called out

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[–] Jamil@lemm.ee 49 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Blame the at most 2 million or so antigenocide protestors, instead of the 75 million who voted for Trump. Considering Harris was short 8 million votes, it didn't really matter.

Blame Trump voters first, but also blame Harris for running a dog shit campaign where she leaned right to pickup Republicans, and ended up picking up zero R voters while completely alienating the progressives and losing 14 million votes from Biden's 2020 performance.

The Dems don't seem too upset though. They would rather lose to the republicans than let progressives have any sort of power.

[–] frankpsy@lemm.ee 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It is not only that she ran to the right but she did so with Liz Cheney who represents the old guard that is no longer trusted by them. She is nothing but a liability and is moreso indicative of the rot in the establishment which seems to identify more with Republican-lite than anything the rank and file of the party wants. That same establishment is trying to decide which minority to throw under the bus now rather than own up to their failures.

[–] roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago

Yeah, the young MAGAts I work with don't like that old crew of Rs. People like Cheney campaigning with Harris was another reason for them to vote for Trump. Sane people know the whole "drain the swamp" thing is bullshit but a lot of his supporters buy that bullshit, and Cheney is definitely a swamp creature.

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Numbers don't lie but the people who post what OP posted sure do.

[–] roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

She needed a little over 230k (at last count) in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

Edit: And the total popular vote gap is down to ~2.65mm.

[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I agree with you except for the blaming Trump voters part. I'm not going to pretend I think anyone who voted for Trump was informed or made a good decision, but I have some understanding of how they got to that decision.

Libs blaming voters are almost certainly: young, college educated, and privileged. I too am all those things, but I've tried to expose myself to the experiences of people who are much different than me. In doing so I've learned how their learned experiences inform their politics, and how someone like Harris (and the democratic party in general) did absolutely nothing to appeal to them.

Trump acknowledged their suffering and gave them a scapegoat to blame. Harris did not counter that narrative, she did not acknowledge their suffering, and she did not offer them anything that might improve their lives. All she had to offer was the idea that Trump was a fascist. She was right obviously, but Trump being a fascist is an abstract concept to understand, "immigrants are making your life worse" is very easy to digest.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I think this is a pretty good take. Aligns fairly well with this podcast, which seems like the clearest view I've heard so far.

The Ezra Klein Show: The Book That Predicted the 2024 Election

https://nytimes.com/2024/11/09/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-patrick-ruffini.html

[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I blame both; the Trump voters, and the self described "leftists," for not voting against fascism (which is in direct opposition to progressiveness and leftism). I think it's really stupid to argue about it at this point though too. Greater than 50% of the USA is fucking stupid.

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That’s not how voting works in the US.

Anyway, not sure what was confusing about this post but it comes down to a far smaller number of votes in specific states, not the nationwide popular vote.