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No good deed goes unpunished. Was he perfect? Of course not.
We aren't supposed to point out that voters can often be stupid (insert Otto in A Fish Called Wanda screaming "don't call me stupid"!!!), but....look, they had a tantrum over things like egg prices and a situation in Israel that is not likely to get any better under the convicted felon, and many stayed home, voted some useless "protest" vote, or outright voted for the orange dickhead, in order to "teach them a lesson", or somesuch...
I'm sure that will be cold comfort.
The fact that the "situation in Israel" was apparently something to be ignored by both parties doesn't make ignoring it okay.
Hand waving away genocide just tells the democrats they can keep prioritizing everything except what voters actually want. They are to blame for this fiasco and no one else.
It is literally their job during elections to get votes. Instead, thinking they had a home run, they offered the status quo with a side of dead children to appease their sponsors. What a joke.
They didn't handwave it away, they funded it loudly and proudly
And Trump will double down on it.
As the greater evil sieg heils into the White House. Sure showed those Dems. I'm sure that the victims of genocide will be comforted that replacing the people who only pretended to care about them with people who enthusiastically support their suffering was intended to teach the pretenders a lesson. At least their future is cleansed of all pretense, and they'll have company now.
The more I see people defending the subject, the more I think it's low key a zionist dog whistle. They didn't pretend to care, they actively enabled the genocide.
In any case, it's not up to the voters to ignore every terrible thing done by the dems. If a political party alienated it's own base willingly, the fault lies on the party. They should have done better, and now that it's over, they should be told so.
The Republicans are never going to get better. The dems will always be the lesser evil and being just a slight bit less evil just doesn't cut it.
This has some real "it's not the oil companies fault, it's the fault of the consumer for driving cars and not recycling" vibes. You really think the way forward is for us to just ignore the genocide and not for the party itself to stop pushing it?
It's ironic, the more I see this one-sided attack the more I think it's a Zionist/Fascist dog whistle.
Biden tried to block funding to Israel at least once, Congress pushed it through anyway. That is a fact.
No one is asking them to. It is up to the voters to look at the options in front of them and vote accordingly:
-Vote Dem: Genocide continues, women and minorities retain their human rights
-Vote MAGA: Genocide accelerates, Ukraine is doomed also, women and minorities lose their rights, suffering increases
-Vote 3rd party/Don't vote: Exactly the same as vote MAGA
And turning up your nose at the lesser evil is how the greater evil wins. "They need to be better" is true, but irrelevant. Shouting about how Dems aren't good enough, and whispering the part about how they're still better than MAGA, is suspiciously well aligned with the people who want MAGA to win. And lo and behold, it worked.
I don't decide DNC policy, and I'd wager no one else here does either. You think the way forward is just handing the reigns to the greater evil over and over, because the leader evil isn't good enough? Very suspicious, and very convenient that helping the v fascists can be construed as the "moral" choice
The vote is over.
I want them to feel pressured to change before the next vote, so we don't end up in the situation again.
By defending them, you are giving them carte blanche to do whatever. I understand your point and they are the same views I held before the vote. Now it's over, they lost and they are to blame for it. You are using the voters as a scapegoat.
They represent us, we need to tell them to listen to us instead of saying they did nothing wrong. Honestly, the people that didn't vote this year aren't going to next time if it's literally the exact same game.
It feels like we are at an impasse because you keep saying the non-voters fucked up, which I agree with, but I'm just saying the dems behavior created that fuck up and the real blame is on them. The non-voters know they fucked up and don't need to be told about it, but the dems seems to think it's everyone's fault but theirs.
By defending them, you are giving the voters carte blanche to do whatever.
What? I've only seen the opposite. The non-voters are doubling down and refusing any shred of blame. They're blaming everyone else.
Yes there is blame on both sides, but we're not in a message board with Democratic leadership, we're here with the voters. Laying the blame on Democrats doesn't actually present them with that criticism, it just absolves the non-voters (who very much are not acknowledging their share of the blame).
Letters to your representatives, or protests at their events, are productive venues for levying your criticism at them. I would never recommend blaming the voters at those venues, because that might make the representatives feel absolved of blame.
Likewise, forums and message boards of voters are not a productive venue to lay blame on the DNC, since that absolves the voters of their share of blame. Now if you want to acknowledge the fault of non-voters, while encouraging them, actively, to contact their representatives with their criticisms, that's fine. But just shouting the flaws of the DNC, on a platform the DNC leadership is not using, is counterproductive.
If most of the population blames them, they will know about it. It's a lot more productive to get that kind of energy going then blaming voters 4 years before the next election.
Also, voters do have carte blanche, that's literally an integral part of voting. It's up to political parties to not force their hands by building a dead baby machine in the middle east (again).
I also think the amount of protesters and letters to congress diminishes rapidly if everyone gets convinced it wasn't the dems fault.
I understand your point and I agree with it for the most part, I just don't think it's a productive position to hold in the current context.
I think it's the only productive position. Suit your message to your goal, and your audience. You said the non-voters already know they fucked up, which is diametrically opposed to all the evidence I see. They're putting all the blame on Dems, ignoring the fact of the greater evil, and comforting themselves that they themselves are virtuous and blameless because they refused to vote for genocide.
I'm not seeing an active call to actually direct that criticism at the Dems themselves, it's just a virtue-signal circle jerk.
Again, I'm all for directing criticism directly toward the people at fault. Both the non-voters and Democratic leadership are at fault here. I will direct my criticism of Democrats to the Democrats, and my criticism of non-voters to non-voters. I won't let either of them shirk their share of the responsibility by criticizing the one to the other, that way encourages complacency.
It was never about egg prices.
I think for some percentage of donvict's marks it was. They are gonna be disappointed, I'll bet.
I actually expect them to make some superficial law about some of these, like decreeing that eggs can't be priced more than $4 a dozen or something. They'll do nothing about the hard problems underlying high consumer prices, but they'll grift out a fake "win."
Not a priority, lots of democracy to dismantle, but maybe a few months before midterms?
Too much effort. He'll just lie.
You misspelled genocide as situation.
You know, the one that Steve Witkoff forced Israel to at least temporarily end with a single phone call, something Biden could have done at any time.
This is the same peace deal Hamas agreed to since February.
Biden's so called "bear hug" strategy was just a way for him to justify a genocide he wanted.
They didn't want to teach anyone a lesson, that was just a fig leaf. They wanted Trump to come in, persecute people and break things. The electoral mood was ugly, mean and bloodthirsty.