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Who keeps saying Elon's Nazi salute was a Nazi salute? Amongst others, a whole lot of fucking Nazi's.

ETA: Wired has more coverage on how real goddamn fucking nazis are just as happy as pigs in shit right now: Neo-Nazis Love the Nazi-Like Salutes Elon Musk Made at Trump's Inauguration.

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[–] ANNOFlo@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

There's been a singer that did it during a concert. Multiple times, too. She got a fine of 80.000€.

Another one is this case. He got a fine of 600€ for showing the salute with the left arm. Reasoning of the person that did it:"I thought it wouldn't be forbidden with the left, I wanted to be provocative towards leftist protestors".

I found another one where an artist who did it in public was fined 30 "Tagessätze" (your daily income) worth 50€ each, so 1500€.

So most punishment comes in the form of fines, imprisonment is rare. One must consider that usage of the Hitler Salute is covered under § 86a of our Penal Code ("Usage of Signs of anticonstitutional and terrorist organisations"), which is more tame than the § 130 of the same code, "Volksverhetzung". That one would always be met with imprisonment (three months to five years), assuming you're the instigator. But the bar is also a lot higher, since it requires you to actively sow hatred, instigate violence against certain people, be it based on sex, heritage, politics, birthplace, religion or whatever.

§ 86a StGB in English

§ 130 StGB in English

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 7 points 23 hours ago

Okay, so it seems like yes, cool, thanks! Well, I think that's a wrap, folks. It's a Hitler salute.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

I'm impressed with the thought process behind "i did a nazi salute in Germany to piss off leftist protesters, but I thought it would be legal to do with the other hand". Like that's a step below "I was just checking if it was still illegal"