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[–] ki77erb@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

They see it as a war because they are finding themselves (and their ideals) in the minority and feel their voice is being taken away. I've heard those sentiments directly from their mouths. From my perspective, the problem is that instead of rallying being some other GOP candidate, they've decided to back the one who used possible criminal tactics like fake electors to ignore the peoples votes and remain in power. Something that in my opinion should amount to treason. We're finding ourselves in a shitty situation now. Stuck between a nice old man who's cognitive ability is fading and a man starving for authoritarian power and willing to take it at all cost. I don't know what is going to happen, but I'm curious to see if 2020 was the beginning of the full collapse of the Republican party and what will rise in it's ashes. A 3 party system?

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Pfft, Joe biden's cognitive ability is not fading. If anyone is, it's Trump.

[–] ki77erb@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm just being a realist. I voted for the guy but I feel like he's too old for another term. Trump has no cognitive ability. He operates stickily on nearsighted emotional reaction with no capability to comprehend the consequences for his words or actions.

[–] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No way the US process allows for a stable 3 serious parties.

I predict the GOP falls, and the DNC splits into two parties: the establishment free-market capitalists who bill themselves as the "common sense" party, and the progressives.

GOP will absorb into establishment DNC, lose the outright homophobia and fascism and fall back to the quiet dog whistles, just enough to keep the old GOP base voting for them against the progressives.

[–] corm@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

This is a good bet. As it is, with first past the post, we can't have three parties

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 0 points 1 year ago

They see it as a war because they are finding themselves (and their ideals) in the minority and feel their voice is being taken away.

Possibly because their ideals suck. Pretty much every conservative idea is a bad one.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I hope a 3 party system doesn't form. That would effectively mean the DNC would win every election. Which sounds great for exactly one election cycle, after that not so much. Power breeds corruption.

The better alternative is for the GOP to gets its act together and start trying to win elections by policy and running stuff by data. We need two functional parties and right now we have one that sorta works and the other that is eating horse dewormer.

[–] ki77erb@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I think it would guarantee a DNC win for this and maybe the next election cycle. But I would bet that after awhile a 3 party system would spread the electorate out a little more. Maybe like a more left leaning DNC, a more moderate middle of the road party and a further right leaning 3rd party. I personally would like more options. Then again, that might make it easier for the far right to gain power. I don't know... I'm certainly not an expert when it comes to this stuff. Just thinking out loud.

[–] clanginator@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The better alternative is for the GOP to gets its act together and start trying to win elections by policy and running stuff by data

Which sounds great for exactly one election cycle, after that not so much. Power breeds corruption.

I think it sounds great for more than one election cycle to the trans people being targeted by the GOP's legislative genocide campaign.

The better alternative is for the GOP to gets its act together and start trying to win elections by policy

I mean we've seen what happens with that. They'll cook up another single-voter-issue and choose a minority to attack. That's their way of "winning with policy".

I'd be fine with the DNC winning everything until a 3rd party gets established if it means we can get rid of the GOP as a major political player.