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[–] kingofras@lemmy.world 252 points 1 week ago (41 children)

Form a new party!!! Don’t call it Labor or Labour. Don’t call it Green. Don’t call it progressive. Don’t call it socialist or liberal.

Just give it a name that people understand and don’t have preexisting bias against. “For The People”

Take on BOTH the democrats and GOP. Become popular overnight. Keep hammering home it is not about skin colour, race or country of origin, but about the billionaires that aren’t happy with paying no tax and having billions. Make it about the 99%.

It is the only way you’ll get your country back without excessive violence. The two status quo parties are hollowed out from the inside. And both are infiltrated by foreign interests.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 125 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

That's what Bernie is saying. He's calling all progressives to run as Independent, aka No Party Preference, down ballot so we can shove the Corporate DNC into the GOP where they so desperately want to be anyway.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 24 points 1 week ago

IIRC, he also called for the corpocentrists to get primaried.

[–] remer@lemmy.world 60 points 1 week ago (1 children)

“People” = “Communist”

[–] RedSuns@lemm.ee 47 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Agreed.

Gotta take a page out of idiocracy here folks.

The Cowboy Party (Named after the most popular/recognizable NFL team)

Or, how about:

The Murica Party

Then you put Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson as your president. I’ve had debates about the feasibility of this approach and this is the modern Ronald Reagan play.

[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Please anyone but “The Turd” he’s just another slimy businessman and will grift this country out of more money.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=j_6bscCG7OA

[–] Willy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

The cowboys are probably the more at divisive team in the country.

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[–] Doctor_Satan@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago

The 99% Party. It's a slick way of calling it a worker's party without sounding like a communist party.

[–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

The thing is, you can "not call it socialism" all you like. The fact is that it is socialism, you have to respect people's intelligence enough to know that they will figure that out (or be easily convinced of it, if you really need an argument that doesn't respect their intelligence). When this happens, and even moreso when you inevitably reveal yourself to be socialist, it will make you look deeply insincere and subversive, because you yourself will have fed into this taboo and not done the work of separating the term from its negative stigma or generating positive media for it.

Socialism is simply the fact of the matter and being socialist means caring about material reality enough to not just lie and gaslight as a means of convincing people. When you get attacked for being socialist, you will not be able to backpedal without sabotaging your own movement, because there will be a litany of evidence that you are socialist. As there should be, or you would not have the support of actual ideological socialists (remember that whole material reality thing I just mentioned).

The material reason why socialism is a "no-no" word is because when the right attacks it, the liberal establishment does what they always do; they backpedal. Not only does this make the right's criticism look reasonable, because it confirms there is real reason to fear being associated with socialism; but it ensures that the people only ever hear the arguments against socialism, never the arguments for it. All of the arguments which are intrinsically associated with socialism; which you have done all this work to propagate; are never connected to it optically, and the people never learn what it actually is, leaving all of your policy open to attack.

What you are suggesting here is not the solution but exactly the issue that has brought us to this point.

The only way that you will ever launder the term "socialism" is by openly advocating for socialism and calling it what it is when you do. You just aren't going to beat the establishment at their own game; rather, we must show the people what it is to be respected and hear policy based in material reality that will actually address their needs, and you will win support from across the spectrum.

[–] yesoutwater@lemm.ee 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I disagree. And I don't mean to preach, but there is a power in words and using them (or not using them). The fight over the word and meaning of socialism is not what "the people" need right now, that can come later. This has been happening in the US closing in on a century. It's not those tolerant of material reality (as you say) you need to convince, it's those that would benefit from "the peoples" agenda that don't acknowledge material reality. Ride the wave of making billionaires pay.

Socialism is a scare word they have hurled at every advance the people have made in the last 20 years.

Socialism is what they called public power. Socialism is what they called social security.

Socialism is what they called farm price supports.

Socialism is what they called bank deposit insurance.

Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor organizations.

Socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people.

When the Republican candidate inscribes the slogan "Down With Socialism" on the banner of his "great crusade," that is really not what he means at all.

What he really means is "Down with Progress--down with Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal," and "down with Harry Truman's fair Deal." That's all he means.

  • Harry Truman

Don't swim against this right now. These programs from the new deal and fair deal are not even called socialist by American standards anymore.

[–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This quote is an example of what I am talking about though. Roosevelt had to take great strides to ease the great depression, because of mass protest movements at the time openly led by socialist/communist parties, but he could not go so far as to address the economic system that created the great depression. Nor could the capitalist class allow these policies to be associated with the socialists that visibly fought for them. Doing so would threaten the power of capital; this is not long after the bolshevik revolution that created the USSR, so there was major fears of similar movements taking root in the US.

This is not Truman defending the new deal, this is him distancing the new deal from socialism.

The new deal was not socialist, which is by design, but it was made up of things that socialists would have certainly fought for and taken even further if their effort was sincerely meant to achieve socialism.

It's time to stop letting socialism be used as a scare word. Sure, the loudest ones will continue to bury their heads in the sand, but those people weren't going to be won over anyways. Furthermore, you aren't going to win people over by talking down to them, and you cannot address their needs in a sincere manner if your base assumption is that they aren't intelligent enough to understand their own lives.

edit: I'm also not suggesting that we should be fighting over "the word and meaning of socialism"; precisely the opposite, in fact. I'm saying that we should be living examples of what a socialist is and what socialists advocate for. We should be seen in our communities doing the ground work of organizing and being role models for what we believe in.

The difference between what we are accused of and what we are actually doing is stark, which can't be pointed out if we're constantly distancing ourselves from anyone that calls themselves socialist simply because we're afraid of the word. There is so much present day and past evidence; from the rich history that was erased in the red scare and all of this anti-socialist sentiment; for us to draw on instead of trying to distance ourselves from the reality that what we advocate for is anti-capitalist in nature.

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Buddy half of American voters voted for trump. We are well past “insulting their intelligence”. The reality is that the majority of American voters are stupid, lazy, or both.

Separately I don’t think you know what socialism is if you think progressive policies are socialist. Just because “social programs” and socialism share a common word doesn’t mean they are the same thing.

[–] match@pawb.social 10 points 1 week ago

the defining trait of the Trump voters is that they're so scared that they will vote for whoever makes them feel safe while asking absolutely nothing of them except cowed obedience

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Buddy half of American voters voted for trump.

Incorrect. Only 63.7% of eligible voters turned out to vote in the 2024 US General Election.

That comes out to around 155 million voters, of which around 77 million voted for Trump or ~49.8%. Democrats on the other hand got around 75 million or ~48.3%. of the vote.

This comes out to ~31.7% of eligible voters voting Republican with ~30.8% voting Democrat.

Less than a third of Americans wanted Trump in office, not half. Let's get the facts straight.

The reality is that the majority of American voters

~31.7% of Americans is not a majority, according to the American Heritage Dictionary.

are stupid, lazy, or both.

Have you considered that the actions of Republicans gerrymandering voting districts to hell and passing anti-voting laws and policies, that the actions of Democrats failing to represent their constituents by veering more and more Right, and that the pressures of capitalism, rising inflation, stagnating wages, and a lack of a national holiday where people take off work to go exercise their civic duties are reasons for why more people don't go out and vote?

Noooooooo, that can't be. Voters are stupid. Voters are racist. Voters are lazy. And it isn't the system that has stripped away their material needs that is the problem.

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[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (4 children)

If American voters are as stupid as you claim then it shouldn't be hard to trick them into changing their vote.

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[–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Simultaneously, American voters are "stupid, lazy, or both", but intelligent and well-read enough to understand what you mean when you explain the difference between social welfare and outright socialism as you are backpedaling on being a socialist.

That being said; I'm not talking about progressive policies, I'm talking about socialism. There might be plenty of progressive policies between here and socialism, but the end of that side of the spectrum is socialism.

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[–] naught101@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Not very practical while the US voting system is still first-post-the-post. Y'all need to fix that first.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Now is the perfect time. Breaking with the Democrats mean they have to play ball now or get electorally buried.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

They will chose that latter, for sure.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago

Unless it really works like it has the potential to. Then the repugs and dems would be totally cooked.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago

If the Dems don't want to win an election, they don't have to run a canidate.

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[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 week ago

The Bull Moose Party. It will call back to Teddy Roosevelt and the first time we used progressive policies to take back from the robber barons.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Don't worry about getting it right 100% perfect in the planning phase, the important thing is to just get fucking moving. If either trying to shake up the democrats or forming a third party end up being wrong, then learn from it and keep moving. We can't afford to miss the launch window because we couldn't agree that the plan was perfect.

[–] Noizth@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The "We can't do this because it doesn't solve 100% of our problems" excuse.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago

Yeah, I've noticed that about the left in general, that the perfect is always the enemy of the good. Meanwhile the right's out there like "yeah, a lot of you are going to die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make".

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The Freedom party

The Justice Party

[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

I like Freedom Party, take that word back.

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago

The Freedom party

I thought the Republicans were already the "freedom" party (even though they take all of your freedoms).

Also in the Netherlands the PVV ("party for freedom") is far right so I don't think that name reflects the right idea.

The Justice Party

Justice is pretty subjective and might not reflect the right idea either.

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[–] match@pawb.social 5 points 1 week ago

yeah! keep running away and ceding terms to the billionaire media! surely if we come up with the right new magic word then everyone will understand and agree, and if fox starts demonizing "99-percenters" or whatever then we'll just, change the name again,,

[–] frezik@midwest.social 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Check out the Working Families party. They're not in every state, but they're a start.

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[–] al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 1 week ago (5 children)

White Christians who love guns and hate abortions. The clowns will never see it coming.

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[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago

give it a name that people understand and don’t have preexisting bias against. “For The People”

I'm pretty sure that name (or similar) has been used in ways that... don't sit very well with people!

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