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[–] fire86743@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 1 day ago (18 children)

The failure of the German Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 1 day ago (17 children)

I've thought about this before as well. If German communists succeeded, then there wouldn't have been a WW2. The rest of Europe would've almost certainly become communists, and the US would not have become the superpower it is today. Instead, the workers in US would've likely overthrown capitalism as well following the example of Russia and Europe. We literally could've been living in the Star Trek future right now.

[–] XiaCobolt@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I think there would have been a WW2 it just would have been communist continental Europe versus the UK/Commonwealth-USA alliance maybe with Imperial Japan as a wild card.

Still probably a better timeline but uncertain.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The labour movement in US was very strong after the great depression, and I expect it would've kept growing. Also, if the war was between the US+UK vs all of Europe and USSR, then the balance of power would've been very different as well. The reason the US became so dominant was because it sat out the war while the rest of the world burnt.

[–] XiaCobolt@hexbear.net 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I think it's hard to predict as these all have effects on each other. Like the USA could have continued social democratic reforms to appease it's strong labor whole snatching up European colonies in Asia and South America to subsidize the core.

And an anglo alliance might consider Europe lost and pivot to cementing their grip in South Asia and Southern Africa etc

The weird outcome is I think Imperial Japan would probably have at a minium a non aggression pact with Europe and possibly an alliance. Which is an enormous contradiction of Idealogy versus realpolitik. Possibly leading to an Anglo or US aligned Nationalist China movement etc

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 6 hours ago

You're right that there are many unexpected ways things can work out, but many of the advantages that the current US empire is propped up on would not have existed. Even the US and UK together would not have been central to the world economy. The Soviet bloc would've been by far the bigger player in that scenario. It's hard to overstate just how much the US benefited from WW2.

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